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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6763061" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>Because, in FR, THERE'S NOWHERE ELSE TO GO. Look, in PS, belief shapes reality right? Well the belief in FR is that when you die, one of four things happens to your soul:</p><p></p><p>1. You get picked up by your patron god.</p><p>2. You wander around the Fugue Plane for a while, get judged by Kelemvor and are sent on to whichever god's realm that best fits your actions in life.</p><p>3. You wander around the Fugue Plane for a while, and get eaten by a demon or signed up and damned by a devil.</p><p>4. You get stuck in the Wall of the Faithless.</p><p></p><p>There is no option 5 in their belief system. There is no alignment planes for the dead in FR. There are aligned planes because FR uses the Great Wheel, but, as far as the dead are concerned, you can't get there from the Fugue plane. And, since the god's various afterlives are not alignment dependent (after all, worshippers can vary pretty widely in alignment - a LN god can have worshippers from 6 different alignments) it makes no sense to use Planescapes alignment plane afterlives.</p><p></p><p>God X's realm might by place on Plane Y for convenience sake, so we know where to find it if we cast Plane Shift, but, the dead don't have that option.</p><p></p><p>Remove the wall, and you get three options- none of which is moving on to an alignment plane.</p><p></p><p>As far as "Why don't the gods do something", what makes you think they haven't. To go to the Wall of the Faithless takes pretty conscious determination. You have to deny the gods throughout your entire life. Deny that they are gods at all. The gods do pretty much everything they can, short of direct mind control, to get people to accept that they are, in fact gods. Note, you don't even have to worship them to avoid the wall - just acknowledge that yes, they are, in fact, gods. That's it. They've done everything possible to get people to do that. </p><p></p><p>If someone dies denying the gods, I imagine the good gods look at it like someone who refuses to wear their seatbelt despite numerous warnings and traffic tickets that gets killed in a traffic accident. A tragic accident, sure, but, what more could they have done? Why would they lose sleep over it? Why, after a lifetime of miracles, priests, actual physical manifestations, whatnot, and the person still denies that gods are gods, should the good gods really lose any sleep over this guy getting put in the wall?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6763061, member: 22779"] Because, in FR, THERE'S NOWHERE ELSE TO GO. Look, in PS, belief shapes reality right? Well the belief in FR is that when you die, one of four things happens to your soul: 1. You get picked up by your patron god. 2. You wander around the Fugue Plane for a while, get judged by Kelemvor and are sent on to whichever god's realm that best fits your actions in life. 3. You wander around the Fugue Plane for a while, and get eaten by a demon or signed up and damned by a devil. 4. You get stuck in the Wall of the Faithless. There is no option 5 in their belief system. There is no alignment planes for the dead in FR. There are aligned planes because FR uses the Great Wheel, but, as far as the dead are concerned, you can't get there from the Fugue plane. And, since the god's various afterlives are not alignment dependent (after all, worshippers can vary pretty widely in alignment - a LN god can have worshippers from 6 different alignments) it makes no sense to use Planescapes alignment plane afterlives. God X's realm might by place on Plane Y for convenience sake, so we know where to find it if we cast Plane Shift, but, the dead don't have that option. Remove the wall, and you get three options- none of which is moving on to an alignment plane. As far as "Why don't the gods do something", what makes you think they haven't. To go to the Wall of the Faithless takes pretty conscious determination. You have to deny the gods throughout your entire life. Deny that they are gods at all. The gods do pretty much everything they can, short of direct mind control, to get people to accept that they are, in fact gods. Note, you don't even have to worship them to avoid the wall - just acknowledge that yes, they are, in fact, gods. That's it. They've done everything possible to get people to do that. If someone dies denying the gods, I imagine the good gods look at it like someone who refuses to wear their seatbelt despite numerous warnings and traffic tickets that gets killed in a traffic accident. A tragic accident, sure, but, what more could they have done? Why would they lose sleep over it? Why, after a lifetime of miracles, priests, actual physical manifestations, whatnot, and the person still denies that gods are gods, should the good gods really lose any sleep over this guy getting put in the wall? [/QUOTE]
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