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Message: <blockquote data-quote="sunshadow21" data-source="post: 6763963" data-attributes="member: 6667193">While your post is legitimate, many people have posted ways that easily allow the inclusion of the Wall while still allowing for most of your concerns. The simplest, by far, is simply to not treat Kelemvor a particularly harsh judge, reserving the Wall for those that truly deserve it, because the souls put into the wall are no longer available to power the deities. The good gods still may not like it, but by making it that Kelemvor has as many practical limitations on using it as the other gods have in not wanting it at all creates a well balanced system in which all gods benefit, and very few mortals are going to be particularly hurt by it. Add in incentives for Kelemvor to be relatively quick in his judgments, and most of the concerns about the Fugue Plane go away as well. The thing I find interesting about all the arguments here is that no one has mentioned how the evil gods react to the Wall, and I would think they would have just as much reason to dislike it as the good gods. Every soul that goes into that wall is one that the evil gods lose access to; they would actually be even more greedy than the good gods on that aspect. Also, while the evil ones may not mind the torment aspect in and of itself, they would most certainly object to someone else doing the tormenting; again, in many ways, they would have even more impetus to object to that aspect, because it would weaken their own reputation as tormenters. When all is said and done, they have just as much reason to object, and because many of the aspects of the Wall seem to step on their toes more directly, there's going to be more oomph behind those reasons because of the personal nature of those reasons. If I were Kelemvor, I would be more worried about the evil gods than the good gods on this issue. The good gods can be appeased simply by ensuring a fair and quick judgment process; the evil gods, because of the additional personal nature of their concerns, would actually be much harder to appease.In the end for me, it would seem to me that all the non-neutral gods would have reason to accept the existence of the wall while working very actively to influence how and when it gets fed. While the use of favors and the proverbial carrot will generally be the lead-off pitch, the existence of that particular stick is something that even good gods can and would use to their advantage. The only time I would really see either the Wall or the Fugue Plane being enough of a problem for the good gods to force them to rebel against them is overuse of the Wall and particularly, and deliberately, long waiting times before souls worthy of other domains before Kelemvor finally decides to pass judgment. A lot of people seem to assume the worst and harshest possible judgments when it comes to how Kelemvor handles the judgments, and that really isn't necessary. I could easily see a system where the other gods may not have final say, but would absolutely insist on, and receive, the right to provide counsel and input before final judgment is passed, as well as ways to expedite or slow down the process when they feel the need to do so. This interpretation handles all of the objections raised in this thread, and so far as I know, there's nothing anywhere in the official canon that goest into particular detail of the processes used to pass judgment, so it doesn't go against canon, either.</blockquote>

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