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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6767105" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>Two things, in my mind, separate FR afterlife from baseline D&D. The first is, there really is no notion of punishment/reward for the souls in the afterlife. If someone is a serial killer in life but not devoted to Bhaal, after he dies, he cools his heels in the Fugue Plane for a while before being sent on to Bhaal's plane. After all, the Lord of Murder would claim this soul, obviously. But, this soul isn't being punished for being a serial killer. I don't imagine Bhaal's afterlife would be puppies and rainbows, but, why would Bhaal punish this soul? This soul is doing exactly what Bhaal wants. This soul will likely be rewarded by Bhaal, precisely for being evil.</p><p></p><p>In standard D&D, that soul would go to the Abyss and be turned into a Larva and eventually become a demon to torment others and fight against the gods over souls. In FR, that soul is picked up by Team Bhaal, regardless of alignment, and is not particularly punished in any way. That soul is going to the afterlife best suited for that soul, not being denied in any meaningful way.</p><p></p><p>It goes even further than that. Which brings up my second point. Morality has very little to do with the afterlife in FR. Take another thought experiment. Two master craftsmen, one, a LG toy maker who gives cunning toys to children and orphans and is kind and good in every way. The second makes that psycho from those awful Saw movies look like an amateur. This guy creates horrible machines for torturing and killing puppies on a mass scale. He's as CE as it comes. As fate would have it, they both die on the same day.</p><p></p><p>And, thus, they face Kelemvor at the same time. Despite being completely opposite alignments and performing very, very different acts while mortal, Kelemvor judges them both exactly the same, and poof, off to Gond they both go. After all, Gond is a neutral god, his worshippers can be any alignment and he is the god of craftsmen and both these guys were genius craftsmen. Now, I imaging that Gond's afterlife might be somewhat sectioned off and keep these two apart, but, maybe not. Maybe they all become amoral in his realm. I dunno, nor do I care. The point is, both of them, despite not considering Gond as their patron gods, go to exactly the same afterlife.</p><p></p><p>Now, take it a step further. Imagine one of them actively denied the gods. He claimed that his genius was 100% of his own, the gods had nothing to do with it and furthermore, his genius is prof that the gods aren't really gods, but just fancy spirits who interfere too damn much. In FR, this guy is going to the Wall.</p><p></p><p>Does it matter which one? Would any of the gods actually care which one goes to the Wall? Considering that none of the gods in FR are particularly gods of alignment, but rather are typically gods OF something, why would it make the slightest difference what alignment the Faithless one was. He denied the gods. Despite all the evidence around him, he insisted that the gods weren't really gods. He denied that his abilities had any divine inspiration whatsoever. At that point, what difference does it make what alignment he is?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6767105, member: 22779"] Two things, in my mind, separate FR afterlife from baseline D&D. The first is, there really is no notion of punishment/reward for the souls in the afterlife. If someone is a serial killer in life but not devoted to Bhaal, after he dies, he cools his heels in the Fugue Plane for a while before being sent on to Bhaal's plane. After all, the Lord of Murder would claim this soul, obviously. But, this soul isn't being punished for being a serial killer. I don't imagine Bhaal's afterlife would be puppies and rainbows, but, why would Bhaal punish this soul? This soul is doing exactly what Bhaal wants. This soul will likely be rewarded by Bhaal, precisely for being evil. In standard D&D, that soul would go to the Abyss and be turned into a Larva and eventually become a demon to torment others and fight against the gods over souls. In FR, that soul is picked up by Team Bhaal, regardless of alignment, and is not particularly punished in any way. That soul is going to the afterlife best suited for that soul, not being denied in any meaningful way. It goes even further than that. Which brings up my second point. Morality has very little to do with the afterlife in FR. Take another thought experiment. Two master craftsmen, one, a LG toy maker who gives cunning toys to children and orphans and is kind and good in every way. The second makes that psycho from those awful Saw movies look like an amateur. This guy creates horrible machines for torturing and killing puppies on a mass scale. He's as CE as it comes. As fate would have it, they both die on the same day. And, thus, they face Kelemvor at the same time. Despite being completely opposite alignments and performing very, very different acts while mortal, Kelemvor judges them both exactly the same, and poof, off to Gond they both go. After all, Gond is a neutral god, his worshippers can be any alignment and he is the god of craftsmen and both these guys were genius craftsmen. Now, I imaging that Gond's afterlife might be somewhat sectioned off and keep these two apart, but, maybe not. Maybe they all become amoral in his realm. I dunno, nor do I care. The point is, both of them, despite not considering Gond as their patron gods, go to exactly the same afterlife. Now, take it a step further. Imagine one of them actively denied the gods. He claimed that his genius was 100% of his own, the gods had nothing to do with it and furthermore, his genius is prof that the gods aren't really gods, but just fancy spirits who interfere too damn much. In FR, this guy is going to the Wall. Does it matter which one? Would any of the gods actually care which one goes to the Wall? Considering that none of the gods in FR are particularly gods of alignment, but rather are typically gods OF something, why would it make the slightest difference what alignment the Faithless one was. He denied the gods. Despite all the evidence around him, he insisted that the gods weren't really gods. He denied that his abilities had any divine inspiration whatsoever. At that point, what difference does it make what alignment he is? [/QUOTE]
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