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<blockquote data-quote="MonsterEnvy" data-source="post: 6777618" data-attributes="member: 6706188">Toril was just like that, the fugue plane is the souls natural course there. Dendar the Night Serpent a primordial that was created from the first being to ever have a nightmare) is a native of the fugue plane. So the fugue plane has been around since Toril first came into existence with intelligent life, AO also is not the creator of the realms just it's manager.Lots of material plane worlds are just set up differently from the default nothing to do with powerful beings.&nbsp; Most people still won't care. And just to tell you won't be welcome in Arvandor unless you worship Elven Deities. Because Arvandor is the domain of the Elven Pantheon, and they have the right to bar anyone from being there if they feel you should not be there. So no you still need the gods for heaven. Also this &quot;What's so great about you gods anyway? Why is beseeching you a condition of my just reward?&quot; is just arrogance on part of a mortal. The gods are shown to be real, assuming he knows about the Wall, he should just swallow his pride if he is a champion of justice and say &quot;Thanks Tyr for smiling on me.&quot; When he died Tyr would then be happy to take him. You are making this out to be a much bigger injustice then it actually is.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MonsterEnvy, post: 6777618, member: 6706188"] Toril was just like that, the fugue plane is the souls natural course there. Dendar the Night Serpent a primordial that was created from the first being to ever have a nightmare) is a native of the fugue plane. So the fugue plane has been around since Toril first came into existence with intelligent life, AO also is not the creator of the realms just it's manager. Lots of material plane worlds are just set up differently from the default nothing to do with powerful beings. Most people still won't care. And just to tell you won't be welcome in Arvandor unless you worship Elven Deities. Because Arvandor is the domain of the Elven Pantheon, and they have the right to bar anyone from being there if they feel you should not be there. So no you still need the gods for heaven. Also this "What's so great about you gods anyway? Why is beseeching you a condition of my just reward?" is just arrogance on part of a mortal. The gods are shown to be real, assuming he knows about the Wall, he should just swallow his pride if he is a champion of justice and say "Thanks Tyr for smiling on me." When he died Tyr would then be happy to take him. You are making this out to be a much bigger injustice then it actually is. [/QUOTE]

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