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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 6778122" data-attributes="member: 2067"><p>Not according to the source material...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Dendar doesn't come along until after Ao already made the cosmology what it was. </p><p></p><p>"Just like that," in FR, always means some entity <em>made it</em> like that. These aren't impersonal natural forces creating the world, it's active beings with personalities, thoughts, goals, and desires. If souls have to do a little song and dance to get any worthy afterlife, then <em>someone thought that was a good idea at one point</em>. </p><p></p><p>That's a world with active gods. That's FR, by its own canon. </p><p></p><p></p><p>That's not a believable characterization of "most people." Most people absolutely care if there is ultimate justice in existence. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>SCAG has a gnome sneaking in, so it's not as tight a lock as all that. And adventurers are always going where they're not welcome, anyway. That's part of what makes it a Story of Adventure! </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Tyr is in part responsible for my suffering in the first place. Why should I give honor and praise to the one at whose hands I am suffering injustice? That just reminds me of abusive relationships - "Say you love me and that I'm awesome, beg me for forgiveness, or else I won't be responsible for what happens!"</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Perhaps you can explain to me the world-view wherein a person who does good and fights evil and helps people and altruistically sacrifices themselves to better the world they live in can be <strong>justly</strong> made to suffer for eternity based on the say-so of certain powerful authority figures? Because I confess I'm having difficulty seeing it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 6778122, member: 2067"] Not according to the source material... Dendar doesn't come along until after Ao already made the cosmology what it was. "Just like that," in FR, always means some entity [I]made it[/I] like that. These aren't impersonal natural forces creating the world, it's active beings with personalities, thoughts, goals, and desires. If souls have to do a little song and dance to get any worthy afterlife, then [I]someone thought that was a good idea at one point[/I]. That's a world with active gods. That's FR, by its own canon. That's not a believable characterization of "most people." Most people absolutely care if there is ultimate justice in existence. SCAG has a gnome sneaking in, so it's not as tight a lock as all that. And adventurers are always going where they're not welcome, anyway. That's part of what makes it a Story of Adventure! Tyr is in part responsible for my suffering in the first place. Why should I give honor and praise to the one at whose hands I am suffering injustice? That just reminds me of abusive relationships - "Say you love me and that I'm awesome, beg me for forgiveness, or else I won't be responsible for what happens!" Perhaps you can explain to me the world-view wherein a person who does good and fights evil and helps people and altruistically sacrifices themselves to better the world they live in can be [B]justly[/B] made to suffer for eternity based on the say-so of certain powerful authority figures? Because I confess I'm having difficulty seeing it. [/QUOTE]
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