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<blockquote data-quote="sunshadow21" data-source="post: 6778677" data-attributes="member: 6667193"><p>As large as the Faerun pantheon is, they don't have to go to the outer planes to do that; between all the different racial and the chaos created by the Time of Troubles, there's pretty much a god to fit all of the array of beliefs and alignments Kelemvor would have to judge. Just about the only way it wouldn't kick in is if you flat out rejected the basic power structure of the gods and their relationship to their mortal followers. In other words, if you reject the basic structure of the system, you're in trouble; otherwise, Kelemvor probably can and will find some minor deity to place you with. And if you reject the basic structure of how the Fearun gods work, than you're likely going to reject the structure of whereever your soul ends up, because, unless you choose to become a wandering hermit amongst the outer planes, there will always be some kind of structure in place that you will have to deal with. There will be exceptions, but most of the souls that reject the gods are going to reject similar claims of power, which exist everywhere in some form or another, pretty much anywhere else as well. At that point, the Wall is no worse a fate than anything else, even if it isn't at the top of anyone's list of preferences. Occasionally Kelemvor would probably make an exception to the Faithless rule, but it would take some pretty strong arguments to pull off; his job is to judge souls from Faerun based on criteria established by the gods as a whole, and the Wall is the part of the system put in place to deal with extraordinarily levels of stubborn and stupid, regardless of alignment. </p><p></p><p>Kelemvor could change that part of the system, but would likely be expected to ensure that that aspect of the system remained a viable fate, so automatically sending them to the outer planes still wouldn't be a acceptable option. Regardless of how things work elsewhere in the multiverse, Fearun souls are generally treated as being part of Faerun and will be protected accordingly. Personally, if I were one of the souls that wanted to fight evil but rejected the divinity of the gods, I would find a god whose power and actions I could respect and convince them to accept my soul from the Fugue Plane, and once I was in their realm, I would serve as their agent to the outer planes in a role that would allow me to function more or less like I did on the mortal plane, acknowledging the power, but not necessarily the divinity, of my patron. The god still gets the power of my soul, so the basic power structure is not challenged, and I still get the freedom I desire, probably eventually working my way into the patronage of some being on the outer planes, allowing me to leave the Faerun gods behind. Much, much simpler than trying to deny the gods outright and run into the brickwall that is Faerun divine politics. I would also have no pity for those souls, regardless of their alignment, that were too stupid to avoid the Wall; a single deal that didn't require me to accept anything I didn't want to was all it took to keep me off the Wall, and it's all it would have taken them. Even if they were the most good person I knew, I can't save people from their own stupidity.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sunshadow21, post: 6778677, member: 6667193"] As large as the Faerun pantheon is, they don't have to go to the outer planes to do that; between all the different racial and the chaos created by the Time of Troubles, there's pretty much a god to fit all of the array of beliefs and alignments Kelemvor would have to judge. Just about the only way it wouldn't kick in is if you flat out rejected the basic power structure of the gods and their relationship to their mortal followers. In other words, if you reject the basic structure of the system, you're in trouble; otherwise, Kelemvor probably can and will find some minor deity to place you with. And if you reject the basic structure of how the Fearun gods work, than you're likely going to reject the structure of whereever your soul ends up, because, unless you choose to become a wandering hermit amongst the outer planes, there will always be some kind of structure in place that you will have to deal with. There will be exceptions, but most of the souls that reject the gods are going to reject similar claims of power, which exist everywhere in some form or another, pretty much anywhere else as well. At that point, the Wall is no worse a fate than anything else, even if it isn't at the top of anyone's list of preferences. Occasionally Kelemvor would probably make an exception to the Faithless rule, but it would take some pretty strong arguments to pull off; his job is to judge souls from Faerun based on criteria established by the gods as a whole, and the Wall is the part of the system put in place to deal with extraordinarily levels of stubborn and stupid, regardless of alignment. Kelemvor could change that part of the system, but would likely be expected to ensure that that aspect of the system remained a viable fate, so automatically sending them to the outer planes still wouldn't be a acceptable option. Regardless of how things work elsewhere in the multiverse, Fearun souls are generally treated as being part of Faerun and will be protected accordingly. Personally, if I were one of the souls that wanted to fight evil but rejected the divinity of the gods, I would find a god whose power and actions I could respect and convince them to accept my soul from the Fugue Plane, and once I was in their realm, I would serve as their agent to the outer planes in a role that would allow me to function more or less like I did on the mortal plane, acknowledging the power, but not necessarily the divinity, of my patron. The god still gets the power of my soul, so the basic power structure is not challenged, and I still get the freedom I desire, probably eventually working my way into the patronage of some being on the outer planes, allowing me to leave the Faerun gods behind. Much, much simpler than trying to deny the gods outright and run into the brickwall that is Faerun divine politics. I would also have no pity for those souls, regardless of their alignment, that were too stupid to avoid the Wall; a single deal that didn't require me to accept anything I didn't want to was all it took to keep me off the Wall, and it's all it would have taken them. Even if they were the most good person I knew, I can't save people from their own stupidity. [/QUOTE]
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