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<blockquote data-quote="Scribe" data-source="post: 6779400" data-attributes="member: 6807152"><p>This thread has been very interesting, enough so that I felt compelled to register!</p><p></p><p>What the people of the Realms know or believe is up for interpretation, and will depend very much so on their exposure to Powers. Gods however in the sense of extremely powerful entities, that can influence the world in ways beyond even what a Wizard can do are an undeniable fact of life in the Realms.</p><p></p><p>As a framework for my own approach to Gods, Religion, and something as seemingly offensive as the Wall I have the following.</p><p></p><p>1. I am an atheist, a naturalist, and a nihilist.</p><p>2. In D&D (other than 4th which I skipped) I have always played something with a Divine background. Cleric, Paladin.</p><p>3. I believe the Gods of either the Core, or FR setting are completely central to the story, and have seen this since I cut my teeth as a kid many many years ago, on Dragonlance.</p><p>4. I was born into a Christian faith, and left when I was 14, with a LOT of flack from my family both immediate and extended.</p><p></p><p>So why is someone grounded in logic, and reality drawn to Gods and Fantasy? Well because its different from reality. </p><p></p><p>Reading some of the posts in the last few pages especially seems to illustrate some kind of offense at the Wall or atheist characters that is kind of mind boggling.</p><p></p><p>You are a God. It its 100% critical to your ongoing survival that people continue to believe in you. Its not enough to 'pay lip service' they need to believe it. There has to be a reason to drive worship, and just 'being a good god' isnt sufficient. There are many Gods, at conflicting ends of every spectrum you can imagine really, and so it stands to reason that one would be able to find a God that even if they do not worship, aligns with how they see the Realms. I would argue that its almost a given in fact. Either from racial bias, or cultural one, nearly everyone will find a God they can agree with on an impersonal level, and frankly thats enough. </p><p></p><p>I highly doubt every single person in the Realms is going to need to know the rulers of Mount Celestia, Bytopia, or Elysium, and simply will find that if they lead a 'Good Honest Life' then they will be attuned to those places or Gods.</p><p></p><p>The Wall, is very much a reflection of 'Deny me 3 times'. You have to TRY and get into the Wall. You have to look at a lifetime of proof, and deny that in the face of everything saying they are Gods, that they are. Just because they can die, or be forgotten, or be replaced, does not mean they are not Gods, it may just mean they are not like the Christian God, of our reality.</p><p></p><p>In a Fantastical setting such as the FR, it makes no sense, logically, to deny the existence of Gods, to deny one you are aligned with, even less so.</p><p></p><p>Then again, maybe Drizzt denies Mielikki in the end, and gets himself stuck in a Wall...but somehow I doubt it.</p><p></p><p>EDIT: And I wouldnt heal an Atheist PC either, I would 100% take that in character as an insult to my Faith, which is again grounded in reality. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scribe, post: 6779400, member: 6807152"] This thread has been very interesting, enough so that I felt compelled to register! What the people of the Realms know or believe is up for interpretation, and will depend very much so on their exposure to Powers. Gods however in the sense of extremely powerful entities, that can influence the world in ways beyond even what a Wizard can do are an undeniable fact of life in the Realms. As a framework for my own approach to Gods, Religion, and something as seemingly offensive as the Wall I have the following. 1. I am an atheist, a naturalist, and a nihilist. 2. In D&D (other than 4th which I skipped) I have always played something with a Divine background. Cleric, Paladin. 3. I believe the Gods of either the Core, or FR setting are completely central to the story, and have seen this since I cut my teeth as a kid many many years ago, on Dragonlance. 4. I was born into a Christian faith, and left when I was 14, with a LOT of flack from my family both immediate and extended. So why is someone grounded in logic, and reality drawn to Gods and Fantasy? Well because its different from reality. Reading some of the posts in the last few pages especially seems to illustrate some kind of offense at the Wall or atheist characters that is kind of mind boggling. You are a God. It its 100% critical to your ongoing survival that people continue to believe in you. Its not enough to 'pay lip service' they need to believe it. There has to be a reason to drive worship, and just 'being a good god' isnt sufficient. There are many Gods, at conflicting ends of every spectrum you can imagine really, and so it stands to reason that one would be able to find a God that even if they do not worship, aligns with how they see the Realms. I would argue that its almost a given in fact. Either from racial bias, or cultural one, nearly everyone will find a God they can agree with on an impersonal level, and frankly thats enough. I highly doubt every single person in the Realms is going to need to know the rulers of Mount Celestia, Bytopia, or Elysium, and simply will find that if they lead a 'Good Honest Life' then they will be attuned to those places or Gods. The Wall, is very much a reflection of 'Deny me 3 times'. You have to TRY and get into the Wall. You have to look at a lifetime of proof, and deny that in the face of everything saying they are Gods, that they are. Just because they can die, or be forgotten, or be replaced, does not mean they are not Gods, it may just mean they are not like the Christian God, of our reality. In a Fantastical setting such as the FR, it makes no sense, logically, to deny the existence of Gods, to deny one you are aligned with, even less so. Then again, maybe Drizzt denies Mielikki in the end, and gets himself stuck in a Wall...but somehow I doubt it. EDIT: And I wouldnt heal an Atheist PC either, I would 100% take that in character as an insult to my Faith, which is again grounded in reality. :D [/QUOTE]
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