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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6779408" data-attributes="member: 22779">Just to unpack the example of the atheist character and the cleric a bit more.The atheist character in FR is denying articles of faith.  The cleric character has devoted his life to his faith, so much so that the gods have recognised this devotion and have granted him mystical powers to perform all sorts of acts.  It's not wizard magic, it's divine.  That's a fact, not simply an article of faith (as if articles of faith could ever be simple).  The atheist character has the goal to tear down the wall.  The last time this happened, bad things happened and the gods decreed that the Wall needed to be reinstated in order to bring order back to the setting.  The atheist character is basically telling the cleric that, no, he (the atheist character) knows better than the gods and that the gods are wrong.  Not only is that being insisted upon, but the atheist character expects the cleric to aid him in his quest to tear down the wall.And this is a reasonable expectation?  Really?  The cleric is expected, despite the fact that the atheist character is denying the cleric's entire belief system, to render aid to the atheist character whenever needed?  How is that even remotely believable?  One time?  Sure, that's mercy.  Every time?  Seriously?  "Oh, but, the atheist character's player just wants to have fun".  What about the theist character's player?  Why is he being expected to play against the beliefs of his character?  If you want to play an atheist character, that's fine.  Go right ahead, but, don't expect the theist characters around you to just smile and nod and do whatever you like.  That's ridiculous. [MENTION=2067]I'm A Banana[/MENTION] mentioned the Dragonlance campaign he is in.  I know that campaign.  There are at least two devoted theist characters in that campaign who have been pretty vocal about their beliefs in the gods.  This is a central tenet to those characters.  I'maB's atheism hasn't come up in the campaign, and, frankly, I'm a little baffled by it to be honest.  For one, it's a complete misreading and mischaracterisation of the events of Dragonlance and for two, we've actually MET one of the gods.  Never minding that our entire campaign has been driven by theism - from bringing true faith back to the dwarves, to character gaining clerical powers to various enemies being of divine nature.  Believing that the world of Krynn would be better off without the gods goes against the entire setting.  In canon, it is the faithful characters, the Heroes of the Lance, which are the heroes of the setting.  The one faithless character, Raistlin, is evil, full stop.  Every example in the setting of faithless characters results in death, destruction and chaos.  The basic theme of the setting is that the gods are necessary and that faith is a major force in healing the damage done by faithlessness.</blockquote>

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