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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 6780663" data-attributes="member: 2067"><p>If driving on the right side of the road caused innocent people to suffer for eternity - even if it was a minority of people - don't you think there'd be people who objected to right-side-road driving?</p><p></p><p>Even if all the lawmakers decreed that it was necessary because otherwise there would be chaos, don't you think it'd be important - even <em>necessary</em> - for those who cared about the suffering of others to <strong>do something</strong> about that law? Or should they accept it as the way things must be because it is the way things are? </p><p></p><p>After all, <em>someone</em> put that law in place. It was chosen, perhaps at the creation of our body of laws, perhaps by one venal and wicked lawmaker, but other choices are possible. I mean, England clearly made another choice. Some of our lawmakers are even originally <em>from</em> these other places, many of which <em>don't</em> require that you cause eternal human suffering on your way to work in the morning. </p><p></p><p>That's FR's situation, using your analogy. </p><p></p><p></p><p>But you can change law. Laws, like FR's soul arrangement, were <em>put in place by powerful people</em>, and if there is reason to change it, they can and do change. And the reason is that wailing, moaning, suffering bit of mortar that yesterday was a dragonborn paladin who was saving orphans from being drowned by night hags. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As the setting has been written, that's not really true. FR is home to LOTS of links to other worlds - many of the gods are even from other worlds, Greyhawk among them. It's more like Toril is one planet among many in the same cosmos, with Greyhawk being another one, and there's also gates that link them together and wizards can travel between them and spelljammers can flow in the space that separates them. This doesn't even involve going to other settings - FR does plenty of this in things with FR's own name on 'em. </p><p></p><p>But even if it WAS true, there's every reason to suspect that the current set up of souls is a scenario that can and should change. </p><p></p><p></p><p>FR, according to its own material, shares a cosmos with Greyhawk (or "D&D," in 5e). Dark Sun, likewise (there's githyanki and planar travel and different Ages and whatnot). Eberron...not so much. </p><p></p><p>Whether you agree with it or not, it's how FR presents itself. If you're talking about FR as a setting and not as you might play it, part of that baggage is that it is one of many worlds in a cosmos. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>One of the ways you can make it work is by having the Good gods conspire to kill Kelemvor and tear down thew Wall, knowing that it is wicked, possibly going against Ao in the process.</p><p></p><p>That makes a more interesting story than "This is just the way it works, accept it!" does.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 6780663, member: 2067"] If driving on the right side of the road caused innocent people to suffer for eternity - even if it was a minority of people - don't you think there'd be people who objected to right-side-road driving? Even if all the lawmakers decreed that it was necessary because otherwise there would be chaos, don't you think it'd be important - even [I]necessary[/I] - for those who cared about the suffering of others to [B]do something[/B] about that law? Or should they accept it as the way things must be because it is the way things are? After all, [I]someone[/I] put that law in place. It was chosen, perhaps at the creation of our body of laws, perhaps by one venal and wicked lawmaker, but other choices are possible. I mean, England clearly made another choice. Some of our lawmakers are even originally [I]from[/I] these other places, many of which [I]don't[/I] require that you cause eternal human suffering on your way to work in the morning. That's FR's situation, using your analogy. But you can change law. Laws, like FR's soul arrangement, were [I]put in place by powerful people[/I], and if there is reason to change it, they can and do change. And the reason is that wailing, moaning, suffering bit of mortar that yesterday was a dragonborn paladin who was saving orphans from being drowned by night hags. As the setting has been written, that's not really true. FR is home to LOTS of links to other worlds - many of the gods are even from other worlds, Greyhawk among them. It's more like Toril is one planet among many in the same cosmos, with Greyhawk being another one, and there's also gates that link them together and wizards can travel between them and spelljammers can flow in the space that separates them. This doesn't even involve going to other settings - FR does plenty of this in things with FR's own name on 'em. But even if it WAS true, there's every reason to suspect that the current set up of souls is a scenario that can and should change. FR, according to its own material, shares a cosmos with Greyhawk (or "D&D," in 5e). Dark Sun, likewise (there's githyanki and planar travel and different Ages and whatnot). Eberron...not so much. Whether you agree with it or not, it's how FR presents itself. If you're talking about FR as a setting and not as you might play it, part of that baggage is that it is one of many worlds in a cosmos. One of the ways you can make it work is by having the Good gods conspire to kill Kelemvor and tear down thew Wall, knowing that it is wicked, possibly going against Ao in the process. That makes a more interesting story than "This is just the way it works, accept it!" does. [/QUOTE]
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