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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6780901" data-attributes="member: 87792"><p>Slipping into the voice of such a character.</p><p></p><p>"Gods you call them? Seriously? I've seen some of Elminster's displays. I've met and taken down a dozen warlocks. You were there, remember. And yes, I know that Mystra is a lot more powerful than I am. A lot more powerful even than Elminster, he says. So ****ing what? That just makes her a powerful being that demands to be worshipped. How are you going to prove that she isn't just a <em>really</em> powerful wizard? Far as I'm concerned, if Elminster wanted to call 'imself a God then I'd not be able to stop 'im. How's your Selene different? And remember we beat up Lolth in the Demonweb Pits. She's apparently a God. Nah, way I see it, God's just another name for a powerful being who wants you to worship it."</p><p></p><p>Now try and disprove that. The argument isn't that Gods don't exist at all. It's just that they are like super-powerful mages.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As they would have been if I could cast spells. Different type of magic.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Someone who doesn't worship Asmodeus, Lovitar, and Velsharoon. And someone who's been through the Demonweb Pits, alongside you, beating up Lolth along the way. I had no idea that rather than spoil the schemes of the worshippers of Cyric you wanted to join them in worship!</p><p></p><p>You're a bloody hypocrite if you ask who I am to not worship Gods while you try to stop them yourself!</p><p></p><p>No, stepping back out of character, your entire argument here falls apart. Unless your Paladins really do all worship Tiamat and therefore don't want to stop all her machinations.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Then I guess that Q1 Queen of the Demonweb Pits can only be undertaken by atheists. Either that or that in an overtly polytheistic setting with active deities like the Realms, any theist needs to choose which Gods they worship, and which they oppose. Which means that almost every polytheistic PC believes that <em>some</em> of the Gods aren't worthy of worship. At which point it's a short step to "I've yet to run into a God that was."</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The problem with Chaotic Evil PCs is that they stab you in the back. Characters of opposed beliefs that can work together? Any group I know would consider that an awesome source of drama and be disappointed if the game <em>didn't</em> go on long enough to bring it to the fore.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 6780901, member: 87792"] Slipping into the voice of such a character. "Gods you call them? Seriously? I've seen some of Elminster's displays. I've met and taken down a dozen warlocks. You were there, remember. And yes, I know that Mystra is a lot more powerful than I am. A lot more powerful even than Elminster, he says. So ****ing what? That just makes her a powerful being that demands to be worshipped. How are you going to prove that she isn't just a [I]really[/I] powerful wizard? Far as I'm concerned, if Elminster wanted to call 'imself a God then I'd not be able to stop 'im. How's your Selene different? And remember we beat up Lolth in the Demonweb Pits. She's apparently a God. Nah, way I see it, God's just another name for a powerful being who wants you to worship it." Now try and disprove that. The argument isn't that Gods don't exist at all. It's just that they are like super-powerful mages. As they would have been if I could cast spells. Different type of magic. Someone who doesn't worship Asmodeus, Lovitar, and Velsharoon. And someone who's been through the Demonweb Pits, alongside you, beating up Lolth along the way. I had no idea that rather than spoil the schemes of the worshippers of Cyric you wanted to join them in worship! You're a bloody hypocrite if you ask who I am to not worship Gods while you try to stop them yourself! No, stepping back out of character, your entire argument here falls apart. Unless your Paladins really do all worship Tiamat and therefore don't want to stop all her machinations. Then I guess that Q1 Queen of the Demonweb Pits can only be undertaken by atheists. Either that or that in an overtly polytheistic setting with active deities like the Realms, any theist needs to choose which Gods they worship, and which they oppose. Which means that almost every polytheistic PC believes that [I]some[/I] of the Gods aren't worthy of worship. At which point it's a short step to "I've yet to run into a God that was." The problem with Chaotic Evil PCs is that they stab you in the back. Characters of opposed beliefs that can work together? Any group I know would consider that an awesome source of drama and be disappointed if the game [I]didn't[/I] go on long enough to bring it to the fore. [/QUOTE]
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