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<blockquote data-quote="MG.0" data-source="post: 6781007" data-attributes="member: 6799436"><p>Funny, but you sort of hit on something I've actually been doing in a campaign of mine for a long time.</p><p></p><p>It started with the planes - which are one of my favorite aspects of D&D. (1st/2nd/5th edition arrangment mostly, 3rd and 4th are brain dead IMHO)</p><p></p><p>First consider this: Why do all the different worlds have different creation myths (sometimes even contradictory ones on the same world), typically involving the entire cosmos and yet we know that the Gods powers are typically restricted to a single world or handful of worlds at best?</p><p></p><p>I realized that instead of looking at the planes in the traditional sense - where Gods from their homes in the Outer Planes took matter and energy form the Inner Planes and created the Prime Material and all the crystal spheres and all the worlds - it could be seen another way. A way that makes more sense:</p><p></p><p>The Prime Material came first. It's creation remains a mystery (in so far as I haven't revealed it yet).</p><p></p><p>At first the Prime Material contained simple matter and energy which grew in complexity as it combined into new forms. The Ethereal plane formed around the Prime as the embodiment of that pure physicality. The Inner Planes then formed, each representing the embodiment of the purest essences on the Prime. Each Inner Plane touching the Prime through the Ethereal. Far flung parts of the Prime connect more closely with different elements. This is why there doesn't seem to be agreement across worlds as to the number of inner planes, with some worlds reporting additional elemental planes like Metal and Wood, and also the para and quasi elemental planes varying in number, arrangement, and nature.</p><p></p><p>Eventually life arose in the Prime, followed quickly by thought. The Astral plane formed as the embodiment of that thought, just as the Ethereal embodies physicality. The Outer Planes corresponding to the alignments formed as representations of those beliefs. The Great Wheel of connections between them are merely a natural result of the closeness of the beliefs themselves. They have no physical nature whatsoever; they are all purely a state of mind. Other aspects of thought like Dreams, and Madness (aka the Far Realm) naturally formed less structured Outer Planes again reached via the Astral.</p><p></p><p>This is why the Prime sits at the center, like a spider in a web. It is the source of all. The true beginning.</p><p></p><p>Now back to the Gods and creation. Energy and matter in the Prime became the Ethereal and Inner Planes, followed by the Primoridals. Life in the Prime possesses thought which became the Astral and the Outer Planes, followed by the Gods. Now we see why the primoridals come first in most creation myths...as the Inner Planes came before the Outer Planes.</p><p></p><p>The Gods didn't create the universe, or even the world. Rather the reverse.</p><p></p><p>Mortals are the key to the outer planes. That's why souls travel to the outer planes when they die, as they (both souls and the outer planes) are thought and belief itself. Gods draw power from mortal belief, not in some parasitic fashion, but because they are nothing more than the combined belief itself.</p><p></p><p>The universe is literally whatever mortals make of it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MG.0, post: 6781007, member: 6799436"] Funny, but you sort of hit on something I've actually been doing in a campaign of mine for a long time. It started with the planes - which are one of my favorite aspects of D&D. (1st/2nd/5th edition arrangment mostly, 3rd and 4th are brain dead IMHO) First consider this: Why do all the different worlds have different creation myths (sometimes even contradictory ones on the same world), typically involving the entire cosmos and yet we know that the Gods powers are typically restricted to a single world or handful of worlds at best? I realized that instead of looking at the planes in the traditional sense - where Gods from their homes in the Outer Planes took matter and energy form the Inner Planes and created the Prime Material and all the crystal spheres and all the worlds - it could be seen another way. A way that makes more sense: The Prime Material came first. It's creation remains a mystery (in so far as I haven't revealed it yet). At first the Prime Material contained simple matter and energy which grew in complexity as it combined into new forms. The Ethereal plane formed around the Prime as the embodiment of that pure physicality. The Inner Planes then formed, each representing the embodiment of the purest essences on the Prime. Each Inner Plane touching the Prime through the Ethereal. Far flung parts of the Prime connect more closely with different elements. This is why there doesn't seem to be agreement across worlds as to the number of inner planes, with some worlds reporting additional elemental planes like Metal and Wood, and also the para and quasi elemental planes varying in number, arrangement, and nature. Eventually life arose in the Prime, followed quickly by thought. The Astral plane formed as the embodiment of that thought, just as the Ethereal embodies physicality. The Outer Planes corresponding to the alignments formed as representations of those beliefs. The Great Wheel of connections between them are merely a natural result of the closeness of the beliefs themselves. They have no physical nature whatsoever; they are all purely a state of mind. Other aspects of thought like Dreams, and Madness (aka the Far Realm) naturally formed less structured Outer Planes again reached via the Astral. This is why the Prime sits at the center, like a spider in a web. It is the source of all. The true beginning. Now back to the Gods and creation. Energy and matter in the Prime became the Ethereal and Inner Planes, followed by the Primoridals. Life in the Prime possesses thought which became the Astral and the Outer Planes, followed by the Gods. Now we see why the primoridals come first in most creation myths...as the Inner Planes came before the Outer Planes. The Gods didn't create the universe, or even the world. Rather the reverse. Mortals are the key to the outer planes. That's why souls travel to the outer planes when they die, as they (both souls and the outer planes) are thought and belief itself. Gods draw power from mortal belief, not in some parasitic fashion, but because they are nothing more than the combined belief itself. The universe is literally whatever mortals make of it. [/QUOTE]
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