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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6781129" data-attributes="member: 87792">That depends just how big contingency spells they have <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />Woah. That's a flying leap of logic. That it's worship that would make the Gods real. That there wouldn't be a replacement for the Gods. And that nothing would come out the far end.They certainly don't worship her. And as for thinking her worthy of devotion, I don't think they do. I think a lot of them see her as the enemy of all they hold dear.On the other hand you are trying to kick Lolth's ass.First, you have to believe that my goal is achievable. How the hell am I going to get everyone to stop worshipping? Second, I'm not supporting a God that will try to actually murder yours. Yes, you probably see me as a crank. But that's different from seeing me as actively evil.On the other hand you seem to be saying that bringing someone who considers The Force to be a hokey religion in a Star Wars game would be a problem.  And an Aspirational Atheist is a position that does take the Gods as very important. It just doesn't take the position that you should worship them. Quite the contrary.Indeed. There's no point being an Aspirational Atheist on Athas.Here it's you that is massively out of sync with the setting. "The Gods are doing something unjust" is part of the fundamental plotting of the realms. It's Drizz't Do'Urden's backstory after all. That the God of his people is unjust so he opposes her and the society she created and walks away. If Drizz't were to have followed your advice and not judged his God to be unjust he wouldn't exist as a character (there are many that would call this an improvement, but I digress).An actual atheist in the Forgotten Realms is basically a conspiracy theorist - and accepting the elements of the setting. An Aspirational Atheist is also accepting the setting - including the fights against overwhelming foes that are the backbone to D&D.Oh, the "Let's take twisted inspiration from Eberron's religions" character I want to play someday is perfectly legitimate and much more twisted. A true believer atheist paladin of the Blood of Vol. Which is legitimate by the rules of Eberron. Depends on the God. Depends on the reason. Depends on the level of DM intervention.Bwuh? Are you seriously telling me that Dark Sun characters shouldn't want to destroy the Sorcerer Kings? And even try and restore Athas so far as possible, turning the setting into a nice place?</blockquote>

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