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<blockquote data-quote="Ilbranteloth" data-source="post: 6784931" data-attributes="member: 6778044"><p>First, they wield an indirect power of their deity. </p><p></p><p>Second, outside of adventuring types (which are rare), I don't think divine magic is commonly used. Clergy of a local temple are probably low level, if classed at all. The Deities survive on faith, and that quickly disappears (not to mention fosters dissent) when the local 1st or 2nd level cleric starts casting healing magic.</p><p></p><p>"I'm sorry, I can't help any more, I am unable to call upon any more miracles until tomorrow"</p><p></p><p>Can you imagine the outrage over who is healed, or who suffers, or worse, dies? Not to mention the lack of faith generated if your God can only heal 2 people today. Why can't you cure my blindness? What do you mean you can't cure my disease? </p><p></p><p>Third, I don't think they do witness miracles on a near daily basis. In Elminster's Forgotten Realms Ed describes temple income:</p><p></p><p>"most folk in the Realms know that the priests of some faiths (such as Wakeen's) sell pardons and medicines, and demand offerings or sometimes set fees for performing certain rituals, such as cleansing, weddings, and atonements. </p><p>...</p><p>Almost all clergies expect offerings in return for certain prayers and certainly in return for spell casting.</p><p>...</p><p>The largest source of daily income for most churches is payment for the delivery of verbal and written messages, documents, and small valuables over vast distances, from one individual to another.</p><p>...</p><p>Many temples serve as banks and keepsakes...also perform the same moneylending and money changing functions as our real-world banks..."</p><p></p><p>None of this implies that they see miracles on a daily basis, and in fact if those are the major sources of income then spell casting (although mentioned) is but a small part of it. Not all clergy are classed spell casters either.</p><p></p><p>Aside from that, the power wielded by a cleric or paladin on behalf of their deity is probably largely indistinguishable to the average lay person as any other magic. </p><p></p><p>In the same book under How Magical Is the Realms?</p><p></p><p>"Everyone has heard tales of magic, and most city folk see use or results of magic daily, often in the form of glowstones and similar magical light sources. </p><p> However, the average common laborer, crafter, servant, farmer, or shopkeeper has never felt magic cast on him or her, or handled anything bearing dweomer or that could be called a magic item."</p><p></p><p>So no, I don't think that most people have witnesses miracles on a daily basis, or even within their lifetime. The difference between a healing potion and a healing spell, and who can cast one is lost on the average person. </p><p></p><p>In larger settlements, they are probably more likely to witness or hear second-hand of magic wielded by adventuring types, wizards, sorcerers, etc., than by clerics or paladins. Their Art is flashier, and to an outsider, more potent.</p><p></p><p>"Did you hear that the wandering priest of Ilmater mended Gornan's broken arm?"</p><p>"That's nothing, you should have seen that sorcerer blast three orcs with fire and lightning! They didn't stand a chance/"</p><p></p><p>Ilbranteloth</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ilbranteloth, post: 6784931, member: 6778044"] First, they wield an indirect power of their deity. Second, outside of adventuring types (which are rare), I don't think divine magic is commonly used. Clergy of a local temple are probably low level, if classed at all. The Deities survive on faith, and that quickly disappears (not to mention fosters dissent) when the local 1st or 2nd level cleric starts casting healing magic. "I'm sorry, I can't help any more, I am unable to call upon any more miracles until tomorrow" Can you imagine the outrage over who is healed, or who suffers, or worse, dies? Not to mention the lack of faith generated if your God can only heal 2 people today. Why can't you cure my blindness? What do you mean you can't cure my disease? Third, I don't think they do witness miracles on a near daily basis. In Elminster's Forgotten Realms Ed describes temple income: "most folk in the Realms know that the priests of some faiths (such as Wakeen's) sell pardons and medicines, and demand offerings or sometimes set fees for performing certain rituals, such as cleansing, weddings, and atonements. ... Almost all clergies expect offerings in return for certain prayers and certainly in return for spell casting. ... The largest source of daily income for most churches is payment for the delivery of verbal and written messages, documents, and small valuables over vast distances, from one individual to another. ... Many temples serve as banks and keepsakes...also perform the same moneylending and money changing functions as our real-world banks..." None of this implies that they see miracles on a daily basis, and in fact if those are the major sources of income then spell casting (although mentioned) is but a small part of it. Not all clergy are classed spell casters either. Aside from that, the power wielded by a cleric or paladin on behalf of their deity is probably largely indistinguishable to the average lay person as any other magic. In the same book under How Magical Is the Realms? "Everyone has heard tales of magic, and most city folk see use or results of magic daily, often in the form of glowstones and similar magical light sources. However, the average common laborer, crafter, servant, farmer, or shopkeeper has never felt magic cast on him or her, or handled anything bearing dweomer or that could be called a magic item." So no, I don't think that most people have witnesses miracles on a daily basis, or even within their lifetime. The difference between a healing potion and a healing spell, and who can cast one is lost on the average person. In larger settlements, they are probably more likely to witness or hear second-hand of magic wielded by adventuring types, wizards, sorcerers, etc., than by clerics or paladins. Their Art is flashier, and to an outsider, more potent. "Did you hear that the wandering priest of Ilmater mended Gornan's broken arm?" "That's nothing, you should have seen that sorcerer blast three orcs with fire and lightning! They didn't stand a chance/" Ilbranteloth [/QUOTE]
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