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<blockquote data-quote="hawkeyefan" data-source="post: 6787234" data-attributes="member: 6785785"><p>Personal choice clearly matters since each of the gods is apparently hoping a given individual chooses to worship them. Aren't they all competing for worship, since that's what powers them?</p><p></p><p>And I would also imagine, with alignment existing more as a game mechanic, that there are people of varying alignments that worship each god. So it may not be a matter that every follower of a good god is actually good. Some are likely evil, though they may not think of things that way. </p><p></p><p>So yes, I think intent absolutely matters. My goal for doing something just should be justice, not to receive a reward or avoid a punishment. </p><p></p><p>So again, their personal choices should matter. How they behave should dictate which god they venerate. And in some cases it seems to...you mention Kelemvor deciding whom a soukd worshipped based on his actions. But even still, many select a Patron deity. So what happens when a soul has venerated both duty and luck in equal measure? Or what happens when a person who worships Helm as his patron deity, but in all ways seems to venerate Tyr? The books would support that there are many such vague cases and that multiple gods may lay claim to a soul for various reasons. </p><p></p><p>As for the Wall, I believe that it was established earlier in the thread that there is a good deal of suffering as souls are slot ground into oblivion, or something to that effect. My choice of words may not have been exact...but I am also going off what was described in the OP. </p><p></p><p>As for the system only being flawed if I introduce alternatives....I don't think so. There are several novels about the system being flawed. The setting is presented that way. As I mentioned above, there are many examples in the novels of the gods arguing over souls like spoils, and Kelemvor's whole role seems to be to step in and abdicate such matters. </p><p></p><p>I am taking what the setting tells me. There is no one presentation that's widely accepted. There are aspects that certainly are, but not the whole. As for the other settings you mentioned...the Lady of Pain is unfair, or at least lays no claim to being fair. And Factions have tried to usurp her power. Many people of Athas have attempted to overthrow the Sorcerer Kings....again, there are novels and game modules about exactly that. </p><p></p><p>Your point about the undead and Ravenloft is closer to the actual point....the gods do oppose certain things. A god of good would oppose evil, a god of life would oppose the undead...they usually very actively oppose causes antithetical to their own. I think an interpretation that there would be gods who opposed the system in place in favor of one that better fit their idea of good and jusice is a valid interpretation.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hawkeyefan, post: 6787234, member: 6785785"] Personal choice clearly matters since each of the gods is apparently hoping a given individual chooses to worship them. Aren't they all competing for worship, since that's what powers them? And I would also imagine, with alignment existing more as a game mechanic, that there are people of varying alignments that worship each god. So it may not be a matter that every follower of a good god is actually good. Some are likely evil, though they may not think of things that way. So yes, I think intent absolutely matters. My goal for doing something just should be justice, not to receive a reward or avoid a punishment. So again, their personal choices should matter. How they behave should dictate which god they venerate. And in some cases it seems to...you mention Kelemvor deciding whom a soukd worshipped based on his actions. But even still, many select a Patron deity. So what happens when a soul has venerated both duty and luck in equal measure? Or what happens when a person who worships Helm as his patron deity, but in all ways seems to venerate Tyr? The books would support that there are many such vague cases and that multiple gods may lay claim to a soul for various reasons. As for the Wall, I believe that it was established earlier in the thread that there is a good deal of suffering as souls are slot ground into oblivion, or something to that effect. My choice of words may not have been exact...but I am also going off what was described in the OP. As for the system only being flawed if I introduce alternatives....I don't think so. There are several novels about the system being flawed. The setting is presented that way. As I mentioned above, there are many examples in the novels of the gods arguing over souls like spoils, and Kelemvor's whole role seems to be to step in and abdicate such matters. I am taking what the setting tells me. There is no one presentation that's widely accepted. There are aspects that certainly are, but not the whole. As for the other settings you mentioned...the Lady of Pain is unfair, or at least lays no claim to being fair. And Factions have tried to usurp her power. Many people of Athas have attempted to overthrow the Sorcerer Kings....again, there are novels and game modules about exactly that. Your point about the undead and Ravenloft is closer to the actual point....the gods do oppose certain things. A god of good would oppose evil, a god of life would oppose the undead...they usually very actively oppose causes antithetical to their own. I think an interpretation that there would be gods who opposed the system in place in favor of one that better fit their idea of good and jusice is a valid interpretation. [/QUOTE]
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