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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6791523" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>So do tornadoes and earthquakes. That doesn't make the weather evil.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ah, now this is a more interesting question to me. As presented, it means that faith <em>matters</em> in the setting. If you can bypass the gods entirely and still go to whatever afterlife your alignment dictates, then faith is irrelevant. There's no point in worshipping any of the gods because, well, it doesn't actually do anything. And, now, by adding in the idea of an alignment afterlife, you have added in the idea of an afterlife of punishment. After all, good people go to good planes and evil people go to evil planes.</p><p></p><p>But, going to Hell or the Abyss because you are LE or CE isn't a <em>reward</em>. It's a punishment. Do good or you go to a bad afterlife is a pretty standard thing for most afterlives. And, since you are arguing about choice, isn't this taking people's choice away? Should they do evil, they are forced to an evil afterlife where they will be punished and tormented for eternity.</p><p></p><p>A Cyric believer is evil, but, when he or she dies, he or she doesn't go to a punishment. Cyric doesn't <em>punish</em> his faithful in the afterlife for believing in him. Granted, I imagine Cyric's afterlife wouldn't be a barrel of laughs, but, it's not eternal damnation either. Cyric faithful are <em>rewarded</em> in their afterlife in a manner that makes sense for those that follow Cyric. Or Bane. Or Bhaal. Or whoever. </p><p></p><p>So, this is where we fundamentally disagree. The Wall represents the fact that FR doesn't have a concept of punishment in the afterlife. Faith matters. Have faith in whatever patron diety best suits your life and you are rewarded with an afterlife that suits your outlook. Deny all the gods, refuse to have any sort of faith, and your soul dissolves into oblivion.</p><p></p><p>Seems like a pretty decent system to me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6791523, member: 22779"] So do tornadoes and earthquakes. That doesn't make the weather evil. Ah, now this is a more interesting question to me. As presented, it means that faith [i]matters[/i] in the setting. If you can bypass the gods entirely and still go to whatever afterlife your alignment dictates, then faith is irrelevant. There's no point in worshipping any of the gods because, well, it doesn't actually do anything. And, now, by adding in the idea of an alignment afterlife, you have added in the idea of an afterlife of punishment. After all, good people go to good planes and evil people go to evil planes. But, going to Hell or the Abyss because you are LE or CE isn't a [i]reward[/i]. It's a punishment. Do good or you go to a bad afterlife is a pretty standard thing for most afterlives. And, since you are arguing about choice, isn't this taking people's choice away? Should they do evil, they are forced to an evil afterlife where they will be punished and tormented for eternity. A Cyric believer is evil, but, when he or she dies, he or she doesn't go to a punishment. Cyric doesn't [i]punish[/i] his faithful in the afterlife for believing in him. Granted, I imagine Cyric's afterlife wouldn't be a barrel of laughs, but, it's not eternal damnation either. Cyric faithful are [i]rewarded[/i] in their afterlife in a manner that makes sense for those that follow Cyric. Or Bane. Or Bhaal. Or whoever. So, this is where we fundamentally disagree. The Wall represents the fact that FR doesn't have a concept of punishment in the afterlife. Faith matters. Have faith in whatever patron diety best suits your life and you are rewarded with an afterlife that suits your outlook. Deny all the gods, refuse to have any sort of faith, and your soul dissolves into oblivion. Seems like a pretty decent system to me. [/QUOTE]
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