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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6793049" data-attributes="member: 22779">Heh, it's funny.&nbsp; I get accused of not understanding D&amp;D's afterlife when I say this.&nbsp; :/ Please don't mistake your Planescape canon for D&amp;D canon.&nbsp; That is NOT the default.&nbsp; That is the default for a single setting.&nbsp; It's most certainly not true in Dragonlance (where we have explicit examples where it's not true - Flint Fireforge is resting comfortably under a tree waiting for his companions, for example).&nbsp; And it's not true in Forgotten Realms.This is why I get so huffy about this sort of thing.&nbsp; Planescape fans keep bringing up Planescape canon and pretending that it applies to all settings.&nbsp; Planescape:Torment?&nbsp; Who cares?&nbsp; It's not a Forgotten Realms game, it has no application here.&nbsp; In fact, I'm not even sure I'd argue that Orcus was an evil soul in the first place.&nbsp; Is there any evidence that he was anything other than something spawned in the Abyss?&nbsp; Tiamat isn't some lucky evil soul that became Queen of Evil Dragons.&nbsp; Lolth wasn't some dead elf.&nbsp; Heck, when Lolth was originally introduced, elves didn't even have souls.&nbsp; Raise Dead didn't work on them.&nbsp; So, it's not like they could even become a petitioner if something was even part of D&amp;D at the time.&nbsp; Which it wasn't.----&nbsp;[MENTION=2067]I'm A Banana[/MENTION] - your issue with the Wall is that it's a painful process right?&nbsp; The oblivion part doesn't seem to bother you, or, at least, I don't recall you mentioning it.&nbsp; Would a simple change to the canon - being stuck in the Wall is painless not pretty much negate your character concept?&nbsp; If it doesn't cause pain, then it's no longer monstrously evil right?&nbsp; It's simply a kind of Grey or Limbo for the Faithless.&nbsp; (Limbo - as in a place of nothingness, not in the Great Wheel sense)&nbsp; Would that not cut through this Gordian Knot rather easily?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6793049, member: 22779"] Heh, it's funny. I get accused of not understanding D&D's afterlife when I say this. :/ Please don't mistake your Planescape canon for D&D canon. That is NOT the default. That is the default for a single setting. It's most certainly not true in Dragonlance (where we have explicit examples where it's not true - Flint Fireforge is resting comfortably under a tree waiting for his companions, for example). And it's not true in Forgotten Realms. This is why I get so huffy about this sort of thing. Planescape fans keep bringing up Planescape canon and pretending that it applies to all settings. Planescape:Torment? Who cares? It's not a Forgotten Realms game, it has no application here. In fact, I'm not even sure I'd argue that Orcus was an evil soul in the first place. Is there any evidence that he was anything other than something spawned in the Abyss? Tiamat isn't some lucky evil soul that became Queen of Evil Dragons. Lolth wasn't some dead elf. Heck, when Lolth was originally introduced, elves didn't even [i]have[/i] souls. Raise Dead didn't work on them. So, it's not like they could even become a petitioner if something was even part of D&D at the time. Which it wasn't. ---- [MENTION=2067]I'm A Banana[/MENTION] - your issue with the Wall is that it's a painful process right? The oblivion part doesn't seem to bother you, or, at least, I don't recall you mentioning it. Would a simple change to the canon - being stuck in the Wall is painless not pretty much negate your character concept? If it doesn't cause pain, then it's no longer monstrously evil right? It's simply a kind of Grey or Limbo for the Faithless. (Limbo - as in a place of nothingness, not in the Great Wheel sense) Would that not cut through this Gordian Knot rather easily? [/QUOTE]

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