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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ilbranteloth" data-source="post: 6793129" data-attributes="member: 6778044">Actually, I think  [MENTION=2067]I'm A Banana[/MENTION]'s primary issue with the Wall lies in what he perceives as the unjust nature of an atheist who leads an otherwise good life is still sentenced to the wall since he's faithless. My position is that unless that atheist specifically denied the existence or worthiness of the Gods, that is they actively railed against the existence or power of the pantheon, not just a single Power, they would most likely be judged on their deeds and avoid the wall by going to the domain of the Power that most closely resembled their beliefs. Although this isn't spelled out in canon (and some potentially contradicts this), I think the evidence regarding the other pantheons in the realms bear this out.In addition, I think the very process of judgement by Kelemvor implies that one's deeds and life is taken into account. Otherwise no judgement need be made.I think the secondary issue he has with the wall is the nature of it as punishment. But there are a lot of other potential punishments in the afterlife and nobody seems to have an issue with that.Kelemvor's position is that there will be transparency and fair and equal judgement for the dead. He only judges those at risk of being labeled as faithless or false. But there would be no judgement if that classification was a foregone conclusion.Having said all that, if the Powers and the very afterlife is powered by faith, and people know that (to whatever degree), then refusing to participate is a denial and against the cosmological rules (thus a 'sin'), and punishable as such. I don't think he feels this is correct, and my position is that there is a lot of room for interpretation here. As a result, while there may be some mistakes made, I think the majority of those punished in the wall are actually evil, but without a claim by the evil Powers. This is also probably a good thing, because if faith and souls are what powers the domain of the Deities, then the fewer souls that populate an evil domain, the better.So I think I understand his position, I just don't agree completely, nor do I feel any compelling need to dismantle the wall. Ilbranteloth</blockquote>

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