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Message: <blockquote data-quote="teitan" data-source="post: 964895" data-attributes="member: 3457">Greyhawk is getting a bit of a shaft, it is supposed to be the setting of the generic adventures and supplements, but outside of god names the adventures are not very Greyhawkish. Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil on the other hand... FR was the official setting of 2E, Dragon Magazine said as much during their prep for 2E material, though the issue number eludes me and I no longer have my archive dating from 1987-98 when I got out of roleplaying after the disappointment of the Greyhawk returns material. Everything was being developed with the Realms in mind and they didn't go setting nuts until about 92 with Dark Sun and then Planescape and then Birthright and then Mystara and the abortion that was the Tales of the Lance boxed set. Sigh. Oh yeah, Ravenloft and then revised boxed sets of Dark SUn and Ravenloft and then the Ravenloft Hardcover and then the revised FR boxed set (still lacking basic priest information) blah blah blah. But before Dark Sun, EVERYTHING just about was FR. Sure they did some support of GH, they made it their dark fantasy setting with the Fiends and focus on Iuz and it failed for a reason. The sourcebooks were great, full of wonderful information etc but the meta plot was the problem. Greyhawk is great fro those DMs who like to create their own details. Greyhawk should get support like Kalamar, adventures that you can play through but are also easily ignored because the only evil that was Earth shattering was Iuz and he was in check through the manipulations of the Circle of 8. Then the whole thing with Rary was just upsetting.In other words, From the Ashes failed because it was an attempt to make GH like the Realms. Greyhawk doesn't have Uber PCs, it is not populated with superheroes. It is more like Leiber than Greenwood.Jason</blockquote>

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