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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sinistar" data-source="post: 261872" data-attributes="member: 1945">Hail Grumpy one. Do not bring up the Mojojojo incident again please. I still have the scars..Eric, my response on the Silver Marches is sort of mixed. There were portions of it that I as a DM would not want my players to see, but there were other portions that were imperative that they read. So I am a bit torn. I don't think it gives away too much, especially if you preface anything the players read with "maybe, maybe not". I think the Silver Marches as a book is as good as the FRCS. I am about half way through reading Silver Marches now. It is one of the better setting books I have ever read. I really like it. Most of it is probably "fluff", I have not reached the monster or PrC section yet, and that is what I am looking for from a setting. I am sure the equations that are being used here are more complex than an either or situation. I think reducing it two to sections of "crunch" and "fluff" is probably unhelpfully simplified. My only concern is this; what happens to D&D when there are no sponsored settings? The current theory is, that new settings sell their first two books so for the next big things, (CoC, WoT, probably everything else that will come out) they get two books. That is fine. Many settings really don't need more than that. But what happened to D&D the game when there were no settings for it. Before the re-invention of 3e there was only FR as a setting by the end and it was not enough to keep the game profitable. We have come full circle. We only have FR left and it is not enough to be profitable. Fine and dandy, the free market working on its own. That may mean (but hopefully not) the end of FR. What then do you publish? You have the class books. You have the ELH, you have a new MM coming, but what else? The model seems to be going to the Magic:the Gathering model that I really loathe. "Hmm, expansion has stopped selling. Ok pump out the new expansion with the same material just re-arranged. Oh and throw a different artist at it." D&D becomes the collectible setting game. Wayward Lunchboxes the new gamer inspired setting sells its first two books. One of which is almost all new rules on how to play with the lunchboxes. Never mind that it is a 3e D&D game. The rules really should not be different. But you have to have a new mechanic or it does not sell to those who like the "crunch".  So after the quarter that sells Wayward Lunchboxes, you have to come out with the new setting.It resets and starts over. You now go with the Stray Toasters game and invent yet another mechanic that has to be played in this particular setting that makes the first book a rule book and the second a setting book. Only maybe this setting really does not need that much space for the mechanic so you make one book that has only the rules and the setting in it. That takes care of a quarter.and again... I am getting long winded. But the model depends on Joe Gamer wanting the next big thing to the exclusion of wanting the old thing.</blockquote>

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