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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Alphastream" data-source="post: 6119648" data-attributes="member: 11365">Really good points regarding classic adventures. There was a Living Greyhawk re-issue of this adventure for 3E, which is probably what I would use if I were to run it for 4E. It did away with some of the boring aspects and distilled the action. There was a similar situation in the 3E version where an alarm can be raised, resulting in the vast majority of foes pouring into wherever the PCs are... that was a really crazy combat for us. I do like large battles in 4E. I ran one for my Dark Sun home campaign when they entered the city of Raam. I wanted the city to be suitably chaotic, so I presented various factions (two noble families, an enigmatic group - the Veiled Alliance, the foes) and they all showed up at a merchant compound when the PCs came to claim an ancient book. There were a few non-minions in each faction to give the fight some meat, but the rest were minions showing up in waves. During the battle each side would offer to work with the PCs (in exchange for them pledging to their side), and their response influenced how they acted. I gave players control of any allied minions, giving them tactical responsibility and keeping me from making all the roles. I think in total it was something like 80 minions and it was really surprisingly fun. I had been prepared for possible failure and apology, but it remains one of my favorite sessions. The battle ended with the foes getting the book and the PCs escaping through ancient sewers with the Veiled Alliance. Pretty excellent. The battle itself was perhaps an hour and 20 minutes, which was perfect for the session.</blockquote>

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