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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 4971742" data-attributes="member: 4937">No, I think this has to do with your interpretation of threat and encounter.Neither the law nor the common usage of the word 'threat' sees it that way, nor for that matter does your interpretation have anything to do with the rules as written so stop telling me I'm the one who is evading the intention of the rules.No, we aren't in agreement over that.  If you don't like the outcome of your own hardheadness, don't blame me for it.I don't know why you think this story speaks in your favor.Again. Surreal.Right there is the crux of the matter.  You are bending the rules to enable 'your favorite image...ever'.  If the rules don't enable that image for you, you get cranky and by your own admission badger your DM about it until he pulls a nuclear option on you.It's called 'Flick of the Wrist'.  It's a feat.  Look it up.What part of that involved sneaking?Absolutely.  Which is why you shouldn't play a Rogue if you aren't creative.  There are several ways under the rules to handle this situation.  Surreal.This discussion clearly serves no purpose.  Obviously, this means so much to you that you are willing to wreck games over it, so we are going to have to agree to disagree.</blockquote>