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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 4972187" data-attributes="member: 4937">Your quote has the attribute of not saying what you said I said?  I'm not seeing how you can actually quote me and then continue to say that it says something I didn't say.  Did you read what you quoted?  I repeat I did not say that being alert and being flatfooted is a violation of the rules, and I did not say that catching someone flatfooted when they're expecting a fight is surreal.  Once again, for maybe the 20th time in this thread, it has been my contention that if you are alert to a threat but haven't yet taken an action that you are flatfooted, but if you are alert to a threat but have taken an action that you are not flatfooted.  A being alert to a threat that has taken an action is not flatfooted; but that doesn't mean that any alert being is not flatfooted.  Obviously, those that have not yet acted are still flatfooted.  That is what I said and what I've always said, and the line you quote says that.Likewise the completely out of context quote 'Surreal.' does not say, "catching someone flatfooted when they're expecting a fight is surreal".  I thought I had already made it perfectly clear and at length that what I thought surreal was the contortions necessary to justify, "I'm ready, but I'm not QUITE ready".  You are either ready are you are not ready.  If you aren't quite ready, then you are not ready.   Person #1: "Are you ready?"Person #2: "Yes."Person #1 does whatever.Person #2: "Wait. Wait.  When I said I was ready I didn't mean I was ready ready."And speaking of contortions:Ok, sure, concievably if the scene went on for hours and hours there might be a lapse in readiness, but I haven't even addressed that nor for that matter do the rules particularly address long duration actions all that well (it's only in 3rd edition that we first get formal notions of fatigue, for example).  But sure, if the scene went on for hours and hours with both sides tensely holding themselves ready, at some point readiness might lapse.  The rules don't address such things directly, but I suppose an endurance check would be in order or some such.  However, why do we need to assume such a complication in order to establish that not all fights begin as ambushes?  I don't need to address such a circumstance to make my central point, which is, once again, that according to the rules once an alert character has taken an action, he is no longer flatfooted.</blockquote>

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