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<blockquote data-quote="catsclaw227" data-source="post: 4972220" data-attributes="member: 14197">No, no one is flat-footed in your example, because you did initiative when the bandit group was 300' feet away.&nbsp; You decided it was best for your group to do the initiative then, and not until there's a hostile action initiated.Since each group acted in initiative, no one is flat-footed.&nbsp; I don't think anyone is disputing this example.&nbsp; What I wonder is why you did initiative when there wasn't any hostile action taken.&nbsp; IMHO and IME, we only roll initiative if there has been hostile action taken.What happens (in your scenario) if prior to any &quot;attack&quot; or hostile action, the groups have a 10 minute parley?&nbsp; Are you going to tick off 6 second rounds and make people talk in initiative order?Or what if the Bandits don't appear as bandits but instead the Kings Men?&nbsp; Are you still rolling initiative when they are 300' away?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="catsclaw227, post: 4972220, member: 14197"] No, no one is flat-footed in your example, because you did initiative when the bandit group was 300' feet away. You decided it was best for your group to do the initiative then, and not until there's a hostile action initiated. Since each group acted in initiative, no one is flat-footed. I don't think anyone is disputing this example. What I wonder is why you did initiative when there wasn't any hostile action taken. IMHO and IME, we only roll initiative if there has been hostile action taken. What happens (in your scenario) if prior to any "attack" or hostile action, the groups have a 10 minute parley? Are you going to tick off 6 second rounds and make people talk in initiative order? Or what if the Bandits don't appear as bandits but instead the Kings Men? Are you still rolling initiative when they are 300' away? [/QUOTE]

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