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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6310632" data-attributes="member: 22779">How is he getting into the &quot;middle of the formation&quot; though?The eladrin teleporters have to start their teleport 10 feet back from the front line, or they get stabbed by the pikemen.&nbsp; So, it's 20 feet (10 feet back from the front, 5 feet for the guy holding the pike and then the empty square) just to teleport over the FRONT rank of pikemen.&nbsp; Unless your pike formation is only two ranks deep, there's no way he can actually REACH the centre of the formation.People tend to really forget just how short that teleport is.&nbsp; Remember that 16 foot pike you mentioned?&nbsp; That's why eladrin teleporters don't work.&nbsp; DannyA, you mentioned about crossing a &quot;great hall&quot;.&nbsp; What great hall is ten steps from the door to the throne.&nbsp; That's not a great hall, that's my living room.&nbsp; And, let's not forget, even if he manages to get there, it's still a suicide run, because he can't get away.&nbsp; Not that suicidally attacking the king never happens, but, it doesn't happen that often.@KM, I can buy not liking Eladrin.&nbsp; That's fine.&nbsp; But, that's not my beef.&nbsp; Like the quote in the OP, the problem has been posited that it's the world building implications that make Eladrin problematic.&nbsp; I think it's a fair point of discussion to ask what those world building implications are.&nbsp; Teenage Eladrin killing themselves with their teleport is possible, I suppose.&nbsp; But, then again, that's just one more of a bajillion ways we can win a Darwin award in our youth.&nbsp; And, really, it's not a particularly easy way to off yourself, because we're talking about LOS teleport less than ten steps away.Like I said, it's not a problem if someone doesn't like Eladrin.&nbsp; That's groovy.&nbsp; But, I was curious about these world building implications and it looks an awful lot like there really isn't any of consequence.&nbsp; It's not like you have an entire race that can see perfectly well in all light conditions.&nbsp; If you think blink elves would dominate a battlefield, imagine any race with dark vision or low light vision as D&amp;D defines it on the battlefield.&nbsp; Humans wouldn't stand a chance.&nbsp; Archers that can hit with the same accuracy at midnight (so long as there is any moonlight) as at noon?&nbsp; We only need to look at the development of night vision technology in the modern battlefield to see how much that can change combat.Being able to cross a room 1/5 minutes?&nbsp; Not going to have a huge impact.&nbsp; Now, Mach 2.2 Elves?&nbsp; That's a game changer.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6310632, member: 22779"] How is he getting into the "middle of the formation" though? The eladrin teleporters have to start their teleport 10 feet back from the front line, or they get stabbed by the pikemen. So, it's 20 feet (10 feet back from the front, 5 feet for the guy holding the pike and then the empty square) just to teleport over the FRONT rank of pikemen. Unless your pike formation is only two ranks deep, there's no way he can actually REACH the centre of the formation. People tend to really forget just how short that teleport is. Remember that 16 foot pike you mentioned? That's why eladrin teleporters don't work. DannyA, you mentioned about crossing a "great hall". What great hall is ten steps from the door to the throne. That's not a great hall, that's my living room. And, let's not forget, even if he manages to get there, it's still a suicide run, because he can't get away. Not that suicidally attacking the king never happens, but, it doesn't happen that often. @KM, I can buy not liking Eladrin. That's fine. But, that's not my beef. Like the quote in the OP, the problem has been posited that it's the world building implications that make Eladrin problematic. I think it's a fair point of discussion to ask what those world building implications are. Teenage Eladrin killing themselves with their teleport is possible, I suppose. But, then again, that's just one more of a bajillion ways we can win a Darwin award in our youth. And, really, it's not a particularly easy way to off yourself, because we're talking about LOS teleport less than ten steps away. Like I said, it's not a problem if someone doesn't like Eladrin. That's groovy. But, I was curious about these world building implications and it looks an awful lot like there really isn't any of consequence. It's not like you have an entire race that can see perfectly well in all light conditions. If you think blink elves would dominate a battlefield, imagine any race with dark vision or low light vision as D&D defines it on the battlefield. Humans wouldn't stand a chance. Archers that can hit with the same accuracy at midnight (so long as there is any moonlight) as at noon? We only need to look at the development of night vision technology in the modern battlefield to see how much that can change combat. Being able to cross a room 1/5 minutes? Not going to have a huge impact. Now, Mach 2.2 Elves? That's a game changer. [/QUOTE]

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