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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6310810" data-attributes="member: 87792">I'm fairly sure 4E doesn't have pikes as PC weapons.Nonsense.&nbsp; Breaking a pike formation is trivial for just about anyone with trained warriors.&nbsp;&nbsp; Pikemen stand close packed - about 3ft by 3ft each in light armour and&nbsp; they can't dodge well.&nbsp; Anyone with a simple Scorching Burst or&nbsp; Alchemists' Fire should therefore be able to hit a couple of dozen&nbsp; pikers&nbsp; Eladrin using their feysteps meanwhile have to run a slightly&nbsp; absurd &quot;Fall down on my ass&quot; maneuver in which you are consistently&nbsp; assuming that pikemen would be trained in exactly the same way real&nbsp; world pikers who didn't have to worry about magic would.&nbsp; And if a&nbsp; D&amp;D army takes no account of magic it deserves the Darwin Award&nbsp; that's about to happen to it.The melee weapon of choice on the&nbsp; 4e battlefield is the Halberd (or ranseur or glaive-guisarme or about&nbsp; half of the rest of Appendix T).&nbsp; Something with reach but that you can&nbsp; duel with.&nbsp; And help your mates out with.&nbsp; Something that works in open&nbsp; formation as well as closed because permanently being in close formation&nbsp; is a Darwin Award.&nbsp; And try a death from above on a block of halberds&nbsp; and the back ranks will turn you into chopped liver.In 4e many&nbsp; wizards can cast Scorching Burst as an at will spell which they select&nbsp; at first level.&nbsp; This means they can cast short range 8' radius&nbsp; mini-fireballs for as long as a fighter can keep swinging a sword.&nbsp; Of&nbsp; course this impacts military tactics.&nbsp; In a situation like that you&nbsp; can't even put a pike block onto the battlefield - the closest you do is&nbsp; spears + human wave tactics with your peasants.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 6310810, member: 87792"] I'm fairly sure 4E doesn't have pikes as PC weapons. Nonsense. Breaking a pike formation is trivial for [I]just about anyone with trained warriors[/I]. Pikemen stand close packed - about 3ft by 3ft each in light armour and they can't dodge well. Anyone with a simple Scorching Burst or Alchemists' Fire should therefore be able to hit a couple of dozen pikers Eladrin using their feysteps meanwhile have to run a slightly absurd "Fall down on my ass" maneuver in which you are consistently assuming that pikemen would be trained in exactly the same way real world pikers who didn't have to worry about magic would. And if a D&D army takes no account of magic it deserves the Darwin Award that's about to happen to it. The melee weapon of choice on the 4e battlefield is the Halberd (or ranseur or glaive-guisarme or about half of the rest of Appendix T). Something with reach but that you can duel with. And help your mates out with. Something that works in open formation as well as closed because permanently being in close formation is a Darwin Award. And try a death from above on a block of halberds and the back ranks will turn you into chopped liver. In 4e many wizards can cast Scorching Burst as an at will spell which they select at first level. This means they can cast short range 8' radius mini-fireballs for as long as a fighter can keep swinging a sword. Of course this impacts military tactics. In a situation like that you can't even put a pike block onto the battlefield - the closest you do is spears + human wave tactics with your peasants. [/QUOTE]

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