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<blockquote data-quote="MoonSong" data-source="post: 6312334" data-attributes="member: 6689464">Yes, they are pretty common indeed, last week when I was telling about how I found 4e lacking in the non-lethality as compared to 2e and 3e I found lots of dismissals running the gamut from &quot;4e is better for non-lethality&quot;, &quot;3e didn't work&quot; to &quot;you suck as a roleplayer for not wanting to kill stuff&quot;. When in fact I can say from experience that both 3e and 2e worked for me in that regard and 4e was unsatisfactory, yet some kept telling me it was impossible I could have that experience despite the fact I did. Some people just don't understand the difference between discussing facts and discussing experiences, no amount of arguing will retroactively change the subjective experiences of others. If the OP's group had a hard time coping with the worldbuilding implications of a single racial ability I have no reason to disbelief, or to dismiss the claims as edition warring, or think of them as less smart/imaginative/anything, in fact I would like to play with such a group some amount of reflexiveness can only be good and enhance the whole experience.Edit: and I need soemon to cover some XP giving to billd91</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MoonSong, post: 6312334, member: 6689464"] Yes, they are pretty common indeed, last week when I was telling about how I found 4e lacking in the non-lethality as compared to 2e and 3e I found lots of dismissals running the gamut from "4e is better for non-lethality", "3e didn't work" to "you suck as a roleplayer for not wanting to kill stuff". When in fact I can say from experience that both 3e and 2e worked for me in that regard and 4e was unsatisfactory, yet some kept telling me it was impossible I could have that experience despite the fact I did. Some people just don't understand the difference between discussing facts and discussing experiences, no amount of arguing will retroactively change the subjective experiences of others. If the OP's group had a hard time coping with the worldbuilding implications of a single racial ability I have no reason to disbelief, or to dismiss the claims as edition warring, or think of them as less smart/imaginative/anything, in fact I would like to play with such a group some amount of reflexiveness can only be good and enhance the whole experience. Edit: and I need soemon to cover some XP giving to billd91 [/QUOTE]

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