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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 6313069" data-attributes="member: 2067"><p>Experience is subjective, so, basically, yeah, you do need to accept peoples' accounts of their own experiences at face value. You have no authority or ability to say, "Well, that wasn't REALLY your experience." You weren't there, you're not in their head, you don't get to say.</p><p></p><p>Like, if you said you were really happy on your wedding day, and I was like, "Pffft, you're just perpetuating a myth, no one is happy on their wedding day, prove it!" and then proceeded to poke holes in all your evidence ("People smile and laugh because they're nervous, you were just really nervous, not happy at all!"), that wouldn't show that you weren't actually happy on your wedding day. You say you're happy, happiness is subjective, okay, sure. I don't get to declare your experience invalid just because you can't convince me of it over the internet.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There's plenty of room for discussion where experiences differ, there's just not much room for being an Internet Mind Reader and imagining that you know someone's <em>true, secret motives</em> that they just aren't mentioning. </p><p></p><p>I love the idea of the enemies of eladrin ripping out their eyes to prevent teleportation. It's awesome and brutal. Very medieval ("Prisoner? No, sir, you're not a prisoner, we're just going lop off yer hands here 'cuz that wealthy bloke accused you of stealin' a chicken. Whatchya mean, 'trial?'"). It's fun to think about that reaction, about the world that their blinking sets up if you take it through to its logical extremes.</p><p></p><p>The idea that the dude in the OP is secretly some edition warrior here just to push their anti-4e agenda through the Trojan Horse of blink elves isn't only less interesting, it's also presumptive and kind of domineering. People can lie about their experience, but it's impossible to catch them in that lie since experience is an internal, subjective thing, so it's pointless to ask them to PROVE that they've had that experience, and it shifts the conversation away from "unlimited teleportation" into "Is Poster X a LIAR?", which is just hostile and unnecessary. Not to mention impossible to prove or disprove because we're talking about someone's subjective experience, here. </p><p></p><p>Really, what harm does it do you to take someone who is describing their experience at their word? What do you lose if you accept that people honestly have different perspectives on things? Your experiences remain valid, too, so what's wrong with theirs? Why not play with the idea that eladrin teleportation might indeed drastically alter the setting if you'd allow it to, see what directions you might take it in? Why not just describe why it's not a big deal for you? What do you risk with accepting someone's view of their experiences as legit? Why would you WANT them to be lying?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 6313069, member: 2067"] Experience is subjective, so, basically, yeah, you do need to accept peoples' accounts of their own experiences at face value. You have no authority or ability to say, "Well, that wasn't REALLY your experience." You weren't there, you're not in their head, you don't get to say. Like, if you said you were really happy on your wedding day, and I was like, "Pffft, you're just perpetuating a myth, no one is happy on their wedding day, prove it!" and then proceeded to poke holes in all your evidence ("People smile and laugh because they're nervous, you were just really nervous, not happy at all!"), that wouldn't show that you weren't actually happy on your wedding day. You say you're happy, happiness is subjective, okay, sure. I don't get to declare your experience invalid just because you can't convince me of it over the internet. There's plenty of room for discussion where experiences differ, there's just not much room for being an Internet Mind Reader and imagining that you know someone's [I]true, secret motives[/I] that they just aren't mentioning. I love the idea of the enemies of eladrin ripping out their eyes to prevent teleportation. It's awesome and brutal. Very medieval ("Prisoner? No, sir, you're not a prisoner, we're just going lop off yer hands here 'cuz that wealthy bloke accused you of stealin' a chicken. Whatchya mean, 'trial?'"). It's fun to think about that reaction, about the world that their blinking sets up if you take it through to its logical extremes. The idea that the dude in the OP is secretly some edition warrior here just to push their anti-4e agenda through the Trojan Horse of blink elves isn't only less interesting, it's also presumptive and kind of domineering. People can lie about their experience, but it's impossible to catch them in that lie since experience is an internal, subjective thing, so it's pointless to ask them to PROVE that they've had that experience, and it shifts the conversation away from "unlimited teleportation" into "Is Poster X a LIAR?", which is just hostile and unnecessary. Not to mention impossible to prove or disprove because we're talking about someone's subjective experience, here. Really, what harm does it do you to take someone who is describing their experience at their word? What do you lose if you accept that people honestly have different perspectives on things? Your experiences remain valid, too, so what's wrong with theirs? Why not play with the idea that eladrin teleportation might indeed drastically alter the setting if you'd allow it to, see what directions you might take it in? Why not just describe why it's not a big deal for you? What do you risk with accepting someone's view of their experiences as legit? Why would you WANT them to be lying? [/QUOTE]
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