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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6315848" data-attributes="member: 22779">And if that's what [MENTION=6776483]DDNFan[/MENTION] had done, I'd be right there with you.&nbsp; But, he found this element so disruptive that it caused him to stop playing 4e entirely.&nbsp; I was wondering what had caused such a strong reaction and have still not seen anything that really explains that.And, if anyone in this thread was actually saying that, again, I'd agree with you.&nbsp; Fortunately, you're the only one who is apparently making this claim.&nbsp; The strongest thing I've said is that I don't really see a big deal here.&nbsp; Hardly the most damning of criticisms.Can you actually provide a quote where anyone has stated this in this thread KM?&nbsp; Has anyone said that playing 4e D&amp;D requires you to accept eladrin teleportation?&nbsp; I just reread the entire thread, and I've not seen that said a single time.&nbsp; And, in fact, we have been saying, &quot;Well, okay, just do something else, not a big deal&quot; all the way along.So, if I am completely misusing the rules, very obviously misunderstanding how the mechanics work, and then turn around and blame the system for the problems this causes in my game, I'm 100% legitimate in my complaints?&nbsp; Really?&nbsp; That's a very strange position to take KM.&nbsp; Wouldn't it be more helpful to elucidate the actual mechanics and then clear up misunderstandings instead of supporting a poor understanding of something?&nbsp; Isn't it better to criticise something from a position backed up by facts rather than misunderstandings?Again, you're the only one who's bringing Edition Warrior into this.&nbsp; I stripped out the edition warring stuff from the initial quote because I was afraid it would cause issues.&nbsp; I honestly wanted to see what these issues actually were.&nbsp; And I never did actually get an answer to that question.&nbsp; What were these massive inconsistencies?&nbsp; I got a couple of vague hand waves with no actual substance.&nbsp; Repeated requests for specifics were ignored.&nbsp; I really wanted to see what these world shattering implications were.&nbsp; You gave a few, KM.&nbsp; DannyA brought up a number.&nbsp; And there was some others tossed into the mix.&nbsp; I don't have the adventure that [MENTION=6776483]DDNFan[/MENTION] is talking about.&nbsp; So, I wanted to see what the issues were.&nbsp; Unfortunately, apparently, this turned out to be a difficult question and no actual answer was ever forthcoming.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6315848, member: 22779"] And if that's what [MENTION=6776483]DDNFan[/MENTION] had done, I'd be right there with you. But, he found this element so disruptive that it caused him to stop playing 4e entirely. I was wondering what had caused such a strong reaction and have still not seen anything that really explains that. And, if anyone in this thread was actually saying that, again, I'd agree with you. Fortunately, you're the only one who is apparently making this claim. The strongest thing I've said is that I don't really see a big deal here. Hardly the most damning of criticisms. Can you actually provide a quote where anyone has stated this in this thread KM? Has anyone said that playing 4e D&D requires you to accept eladrin teleportation? I just reread the entire thread, and I've not seen that said a single time. And, in fact, we have been saying, "Well, okay, just do something else, not a big deal" all the way along. So, if I am completely misusing the rules, very obviously misunderstanding how the mechanics work, and then turn around and blame the system for the problems this causes in my game, I'm 100% legitimate in my complaints? Really? That's a very strange position to take KM. Wouldn't it be more helpful to elucidate the actual mechanics and then clear up misunderstandings instead of supporting a poor understanding of something? Isn't it better to criticise something from a position backed up by facts rather than misunderstandings? Again, you're the only one who's bringing Edition Warrior into this. I stripped out the edition warring stuff from the initial quote because I was afraid it would cause issues. I honestly wanted to see what these issues actually were. And I never did actually get an answer to that question. What were these massive inconsistencies? I got a couple of vague hand waves with no actual substance. Repeated requests for specifics were ignored. I really wanted to see what these world shattering implications were. You gave a few, KM. DannyA brought up a number. And there was some others tossed into the mix. I don't have the adventure that [MENTION=6776483]DDNFan[/MENTION] is talking about. So, I wanted to see what the issues were. Unfortunately, apparently, this turned out to be a difficult question and no actual answer was ever forthcoming. [/QUOTE]

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