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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6315883" data-attributes="member: 87792">What happened was that you got carried away by your own enthusiasm and messed up with the rules.&nbsp;&nbsp; The rules do not do what you claim them to.&nbsp; That is not a mistake of&nbsp; the adventure designers - the problem is that you messed up with the&nbsp; rules.&nbsp; Everyone does it from time to time.The problem is that a&nbsp; few years later, after being corrected on what the rules are, you&nbsp; continue to blame the adventure designers for what was actually your&nbsp; mistake.No.&nbsp; Because you actually broke the rules of the game.&nbsp; And consider that&nbsp; a flaw in the adventures.&nbsp; I consider Keep on the Shadowfell to be&nbsp; worse than The Forest Oracle (at least the one makes entertaining&nbsp; reading).First, did they specify keyholes reached all the way through?&nbsp; Because as I mentioned my keys don't.Second, I have friends who never&nbsp; lock their front doors.&nbsp; (One of them's a millionaire with terrible&nbsp; taste).&nbsp; This is not an unknown mode of living.&nbsp; So worldbuilding should&nbsp; be able to cope with that.Third, you were talking about the&nbsp; mental gymnastics needed to get round the issues.&nbsp; That to me implies&nbsp; that the simple solutions suggested (like vault doors actually being&nbsp; vault door like) were things you failed to come up with.This is almost all cool.&nbsp; (The &quot;Just will&quot; part rather than &quot;Move&nbsp; equivalent action, and requring rest afterwards&quot; is an issue - but&nbsp; that's a minor part).&nbsp; I like the Eladrin pole vaulters particularly.&nbsp;&nbsp; And worldbuilding with at will teleports would be another fun exercise.&nbsp;&nbsp; As&nbsp; this appears to be something you have come up with that's independent&nbsp; of the thread, we do appear to be moving past that.&nbsp; The issue isn't&nbsp; about agreement - it's that claims that are contrary to the rules have equal validity to those that work by the rules.&nbsp; They don't.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 6315883, member: 87792"] What happened was that you got carried away by your own enthusiasm [I]and messed up with the rules[/I]. The rules do not do what you claim them to. That is not a mistake of the adventure designers - the problem is that you messed up with the rules. Everyone does it from time to time. The problem is that a few years later, after being corrected on what the rules are, you continue to blame the adventure designers for what was actually your mistake. No. Because you actually broke the rules of the game. And consider [I]that[/I] a flaw in the adventures. I consider Keep on the Shadowfell to be worse than The Forest Oracle (at least the one makes entertaining reading). First, did they specify keyholes reached all the way through? Because as I mentioned my keys don't. Second, I have friends who [I]never[/I] lock their front doors. (One of them's a millionaire with terrible taste). This is not an unknown mode of living. So worldbuilding should be able to cope with that. Third, you were talking about the mental gymnastics needed to get round the issues. That to me implies that the simple solutions suggested (like vault doors actually being vault door like) were things you failed to come up with. This is almost all cool. (The "Just will" part rather than "Move equivalent action, and requring rest afterwards" is an issue - but that's a minor part). I like the Eladrin pole vaulters particularly. And worldbuilding with at will teleports would be another fun exercise. As this appears to be something you have come up with that's independent of the thread, we do appear to be moving past that. The issue isn't about agreement - it's that claims [I]that are contrary to the rules[/I] have equal validity to those that work by the rules. They don't. [/QUOTE]

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