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<blockquote data-quote="Thasmodious" data-source="post: 4440706" data-attributes="member: 63272"><p>I don't agree at all with your assumptions about 4e, lizard.&nbsp; Breaking the 4th wall isn't a moment when you can tell that the city block is a set or that the snow looks a bit fake, its when the lead character turns, looks directly into the camera and says, &quot;see what I did there?&quot;&nbsp; I don't see that in the actual play of 4e, at all.&nbsp; So they make a bunch of decisions in favor of gamism over simulationism, thank god says a great many of us.&nbsp; But that's not a 4th wall issue, because it is not revealed in the play of the game.&nbsp; Monsters don't up and scream, I have 1hp and can't gain temp HP!&nbsp; They simply die when struck a meaningful blow, just like the millions of cinematic and literary minions that have come before them.&nbsp;&nbsp; The 4e market makes fine sense, its just not sense you want to accept.&nbsp; That doesn't constitute a 4th wall violation.&nbsp; Your assumptions are flawed because you present them as a shared set of assumptions that everyone agrees with, when this is just not the case.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="Thasmodious, post: 4440706, member: 63272"] I don't agree at all with your assumptions about 4e, lizard. Breaking the 4th wall isn't a moment when you can tell that the city block is a set or that the snow looks a bit fake, its when the lead character turns, looks directly into the camera and says, "see what I did there?" I don't see that in the actual play of 4e, at all. So they make a bunch of decisions in favor of gamism over simulationism, thank god says a great many of us. But that's not a 4th wall issue, because it is not revealed in the play of the game. Monsters don't up and scream, I have 1hp and can't gain temp HP! They simply die when struck a meaningful blow, just like the millions of cinematic and literary minions that have come before them. The 4e market makes fine sense, its just not sense you want to accept. That doesn't constitute a 4th wall violation. Your assumptions are flawed because you present them as a shared set of assumptions that everyone agrees with, when this is just not the case. [/QUOTE]

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