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<blockquote data-quote="Wik" data-source="post: 5249296" data-attributes="member: 40177">Um.&nbsp; The point in the original thread is that the &quot;damsel in distress&quot;, in some form, is a cliche, but not one that is done to death.&nbsp; Yes, these are strong women and whatnot, but there are definitely parts where they are rescued by the male lead.&nbsp; And all of them are, at least in terms of presentation to the audience, subservient to the male.&nbsp; If you're calling *me* sad, pathetic, and/or disgusting, we're going to be having a problem, you and I.&nbsp; If you're talking about how this happens in the theatres, you're entitled to your view.&nbsp; Personally, I believe (and I've done numerous feminist classes, so don't go labelling me some sort of chauvinist) that this sort of behaviour is entrenched in our cultural means of thinking, and that a significant portion of the female audience *enjoys* the idea of being &quot;rescued&quot;.&nbsp;&nbsp; I see nothing wrong with that.&nbsp; As for the original post, it goes down to this:&nbsp; I believe that any time someone makes a deliberate attempt to include a &quot;fair balance&quot; of ethnicities in a work of art, it is sort of insulting, and self-defeating.&nbsp; If you have an adventuring party that is white guy, asian guy, black guy, and hispanic guy... you're still leaving out the east indian guy, the native american (seriously - where the hell are native americans in D&amp;D art!?), the laplander guy, the south american, the.... My original post only barely mentioned the &quot;damsel in distress&quot;.&nbsp; Essentially, I was saying that I wish 4e art had more &quot;damsel&quot; style pictures, though I meant it in a sense that the &quot;damsel&quot; could be male or female.&nbsp; Essentially, I want more art that tells a story, and is less about W.A.R.'s characters flexing or posing.&nbsp; I want more scenes where the PCs are not in immediate danger, and are instead interacting with the world around them peacefully.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Wik, post: 5249296, member: 40177"] Um. The point in the original thread is that the "damsel in distress", in some form, is a cliche, but not one that is done to death. Yes, these are strong women and whatnot, but there are definitely parts where they are rescued by the male lead. And all of them are, at least in terms of presentation to the audience, subservient to the male. If you're calling *me* sad, pathetic, and/or disgusting, we're going to be having a problem, you and I. If you're talking about how this happens in the theatres, you're entitled to your view. Personally, I believe (and I've done numerous feminist classes, so don't go labelling me some sort of chauvinist) that this sort of behaviour is entrenched in our cultural means of thinking, and that a significant portion of the female audience *enjoys* the idea of being "rescued". I see nothing wrong with that. As for the original post, it goes down to this: I believe that any time someone makes a deliberate attempt to include a "fair balance" of ethnicities in a work of art, it is sort of insulting, and self-defeating. If you have an adventuring party that is white guy, asian guy, black guy, and hispanic guy... you're still leaving out the east indian guy, the native american (seriously - where the hell are native americans in D&D art!?), the laplander guy, the south american, the.... My original post only barely mentioned the "damsel in distress". Essentially, I was saying that I wish 4e art had more "damsel" style pictures, though I meant it in a sense that the "damsel" could be male or female. Essentially, I want more art that tells a story, and is less about W.A.R.'s characters flexing or posing. I want more scenes where the PCs are not in immediate danger, and are instead interacting with the world around them peacefully. [/QUOTE]

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