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<blockquote data-quote="Pickles JG" data-source="post: 4372264" data-attributes="member: 61501">A lot of these thief acrobat abilites are now covered by feats &amp; rogue utility powers eg Unfettered Stride epic feat, Dazzling Acrobatics rogue utlity 22, Leaping Dodge Rogue Utility 16.&nbsp;I do think movies are the best source for stunts. &nbsp;Even without mechanical advantages they can make combat more fun - it was most of the fun in Feng Shui when fighting unnamed mooks (aka minions).&nbsp;The mechanical advantage is possible too - moving where you otherwise could not or getting encounter power levels of damage for one shot stunts without using encounter powers. &nbsp;The high point of my 4 ed so far was bull rushing a Ranger into an Iron Maiden. You may know the scene. &nbsp;It helps to create setting with lots of possible details &amp; allow the players to fill in the specifics if it lets them gain an edge = though this conflicts with maps a bit. &nbsp;Something like an alchemicalware house with vats &amp; bottles &amp; tubes to be creatively used or a foundry - or the sawmill in one of the pathfinder modules (which is not really a spoiler I hope).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Pickles JG, post: 4372264, member: 61501"] A lot of these thief acrobat abilites are now covered by feats & rogue utility powers eg Unfettered Stride epic feat, Dazzling Acrobatics rogue utlity 22, Leaping Dodge Rogue Utility 16. I do think movies are the best source for stunts. Even without mechanical advantages they can make combat more fun - it was most of the fun in Feng Shui when fighting unnamed mooks (aka minions). The mechanical advantage is possible too - moving where you otherwise could not or getting encounter power levels of damage for one shot stunts without using encounter powers. The high point of my 4 ed so far was bull rushing a Ranger into an Iron Maiden. You may know the scene. It helps to create setting with lots of possible details & allow the players to fill in the specifics if it lets them gain an edge = though this conflicts with maps a bit. Something like an alchemicalware house with vats & bottles & tubes to be creatively used or a foundry - or the sawmill in one of the pathfinder modules (which is not really a spoiler I hope). [/QUOTE]

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