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<blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 4833363" data-attributes="member: 18280">But that is not what I said.&nbsp; I did not say that people didn't use minis in every edition; I said that TSR didn't assume that the average gamers were using minis.I wonder.&nbsp; If Gary could produce plastic minis, and had the marketing data that WotC had when 3e came out, he may well have made a game pushing minis as much as 3.0, or even 4.0.&nbsp; But it was impossible to have that data when 0e came out.&nbsp; There wasn't the growth phenomenon of D&amp;D to measure it against, and there weren't the hoard of gamers required to poll.&nbsp;Gary certainly wasn't a saint, and certainly wanted to make a buck off of his work.Indeed.&nbsp; Each and every edition includes, in print, that miniatures are not needed to play the game.&nbsp; That they might be a help, if you want them, but that is all.&nbsp; And yet some gamers choose to believe that Gary &amp; Co. meant otherwise, no matter what.No choice.&nbsp; I've had no contact with Arneson.Which ones?&nbsp; I have never seen a map for mini use printed by TSR.&nbsp; (Poster maps of dungeons, yes, but not on mini scale unless those were some really itty-bitty minis!&nbsp; <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing&nbsp; &nbsp; :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /> )RC</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Raven Crowking, post: 4833363, member: 18280"] But that is not what I said. I did not say that people didn't use minis in every edition; I said that TSR didn't [i][b]assume[/b][/i][b][/b] that the average gamers were using minis. I wonder. If Gary could produce plastic minis, and had the marketing data that WotC had when 3e came out, he may well have made a game pushing minis as much as 3.0, or even 4.0. But it was impossible to have that data when 0e came out. There wasn't the growth phenomenon of D&D to measure it against, and there weren't the hoard of gamers required to poll. Gary certainly wasn't a saint, and certainly wanted to make a buck off of his work. Indeed. Each and every edition includes, in print, that miniatures are not needed to play the game. That they might be a help, if you want them, but that is all. And yet some gamers choose to believe that Gary & Co. meant otherwise, no matter what. No choice. I've had no contact with Arneson. Which ones? I have never seen a map for mini use printed by TSR. (Poster maps of dungeons, yes, but not on mini scale unless those were some really itty-bitty minis! :lol: ) RC [/QUOTE]

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