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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MadMaligor" data-source="post: 4834774" data-attributes="member: 66102">Hehehe, a fool I have been, and certainly shall be at some point in any variety of ways.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  This however is not one of those times.  Again...let me say I understand exactly what he, you, and others have stated.  I get that Gygax and other devs, players and DM's, thousands and thousands of times before, now, and forever in the future will not use mini's.  I get that Dungeons and Dragons can be played, was designed to be played, and even now is played without mini's. It is also designed to be played with mini's.  It always has been, and likely always will be. I don't know how much more specific I can get.  Saying miniatures aren't supposed to be used is like saying Kobolds aren't supposed to be used, they just tossed them in there for kicks because everyone loves Kobolds.  Sure you dont have to use them, you dont need to use them, some people just plain love to hate them.  But the game has a place for Kobolds, and a place for mini's. I find it very interesting, that Gygax and co. seemed to have such a distaste, dislike, or unrelenting passion against the use of minis...and then include so many rules and errata over the course of editions regarding them.  As well as the countless images, both artistic and photo, of their use in the game (including many sourcebooks). I really would love to see the quote or listen to the conversation that details the intent of the designers was to create a system that did not include the use of miniatures, or that their use was never intended, but rather completely unintended.  If it exists and I am completely wrong, hell then I am completely wrong. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  I'm a big boy I can take it. I wonder if his players or others close to him generated the idea in their heads that the game as played with him then, was how things were "meant to be".  I find that interesting given the maleable nature of the game.</blockquote>

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