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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 4381326" data-attributes="member: 2011">Err, no. Your logic is misleading here. The reality really is the following:Say the creature hits 50% of the time. Marked takes it to 40% of the time for BOTH the Chaladin and the Str Paladin against other PCs. Enfeebling Strike takes it to 30% for the Chaladin.Let's compare on a graph (C Chaladin, P Paladin, D Difference, M Miss, H Hit):[code]C: MMMMMMMMMMMMMMHHHHHH (30%)P: MMMMMMMMMMMMHHHHHHHH (40%)D: ............XX...... (10%)[/code]90% of the time (assuming it hits), there is no difference between getting the extra -2 from Enfeebling and not getting it. The only time it makes a difference is when the creature rolls a 13 or a 14. In that case, he misses for the Chaladin and hits with the Paladin.This is not huge. In fact, it's very tiny.When combined with the fact that the Chaladin too will only hit on ~50% of his attacks (and not all 100% of his attacks are Enfeebling, some are his other At-Will power, some are Basic, some are Encounter, and some are Daily), this means that Enfeebling will on average prevent another PC from getting hit less than once every 20 attacks (which typically means, less than once every 20 rounds).Whoop de doo. One encounter in two if he's lucky, Enfeebling Strike stops an attack against someone.Enfeebling doesn't mean hardly anything in the large scheme of things.Divine Challenge marked, on the other hand, gives the -2 on every attack against a different PC and is a slight damage advantage for the Chaladin over the Str Paladin (he gives up the advantage on charges and OAs to gain this advantage though). Divine Challenge is a huge ability.But, Enfeebling Strike hardly does jack compared to Valiant Strike hitting more often and Holy Strike doing more damage. These powers will end encounters quicker. A dead enemy cannot counterattack and 4E is a game of enemy attrition and offense.</blockquote>

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