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<blockquote data-quote="Starbuck_II" data-source="post: 4371934" data-attributes="member: 61375">Here's a list of the minions that suffer from the same problem:- cyclops guard; p.46: What is wrong with it?Based on soldier turned into minion.&nbsp;I'll admit their Ability check mods are appear off.They appear to be Abil + 1/2 Level -2.Example 22 Str (+6) + 7 (1/2 14) -2=11.&nbsp;- horde ghoul &amp; abyssal ghoul myrmidon; p.118Horde Ghoul appears to be Abil + 1/2 Level -1.Str 17 (3) + 6 (1/2 13) -1 = 8.&nbsp;Abbyssal Ghoul appears to be Abil + 1/2 Level -1.Str 27 (8) + 11 (1/2 23) -1 = 18.&nbsp;- hobgoblin grunt &amp; warrior; p.138Grunt Hobgoblin appears to be Abil + 1/2 Level -1.Str 18 (4) + 1 (1/2 3) -1 = 4.&nbsp;Warrior Hobgoblin appears to be Abil + 1/2 Level -1.Str 19 (4) + 8 (1/2 8) -1 = 7.&nbsp;- grimlock minion &amp; follower; p.148Grimlock Minion appears to be Abil + 1/2 Level -2.Str 17 (3) + 7 (1/2 14) -2 = 7.&nbsp;Grimlock Folllower appears to be Abil + 1/2 Level -3.Str 17 (3) + 11 (1/2 22) -3 = 11.Something is wrong with the Follower... the math works but why 3?&nbsp;- human rabble; p.162Human Rabble appears to be Abil + 1/2 Level -1.Str 14 (2) + 1 (1/2 2) -1 = 2.&nbsp;- kruthik hatchling; p.170Kruthik Hatchling appears to be Abil + 1/2 Level -1.Str 13 (1) + 1 (1/2 2) -1 = 1.&nbsp;- orc drudge &amp; warrior; p.203Orc Drudge appears to be Abil + 1/2 Level -2.Str 16 (3) + 2 (1/2 4) -2 = 3.&nbsp;Orc Warrior appears to be Abil + 1/2 Level -1.Str 17 (3) + 4 (1/2 9) -1 = 6.&nbsp;- troglodyte warrior; p.252Trog Warrior appears to be Abil + 1/2 Level -1.Str 18 (4) + 6 (1/2 12) -1 = 9.&nbsp;- snaketongue initiate; p.274Snaketongue Initiate appears to be Abil + 1/2 Level -0.Str 16 (3) + 3 (1/2 7) -0 = 6.Wait, this is verbatum how to generate non-minion... did you mean Zealot?&nbsp;Final analysis: for MinionsMost Ability checks -1 at end. or -2 at end if a Cyclops or Grimlock or Orc Drudge (Warrior is -1).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Starbuck_II, post: 4371934, member: 61375"] Here's a list of the minions that suffer from the same problem: - cyclops guard; p.46: What is wrong with it? Based on soldier turned into minion. I'll admit their Ability check mods are appear off. They appear to be Abil + 1/2 Level -2. Example 22 Str (+6) + 7 (1/2 14) -2=11. - horde ghoul & abyssal ghoul myrmidon; p.118 Horde Ghoul appears to be Abil + 1/2 Level -1. Str 17 (3) + 6 (1/2 13) -1 = 8. Abbyssal Ghoul appears to be Abil + 1/2 Level -1. Str 27 (8) + 11 (1/2 23) -1 = 18. - hobgoblin grunt & warrior; p.138 Grunt Hobgoblin appears to be Abil + 1/2 Level -1. Str 18 (4) + 1 (1/2 3) -1 = 4. Warrior Hobgoblin appears to be Abil + 1/2 Level -1. Str 19 (4) + 8 (1/2 8) -1 = 7. - grimlock minion & follower; p.148 Grimlock Minion appears to be Abil + 1/2 Level -2. Str 17 (3) + 7 (1/2 14) -2 = 7. Grimlock Folllower appears to be Abil + 1/2 Level -3. Str 17 (3) + 11 (1/2 22) -3 = 11. Something is wrong with the Follower... the math works but why 3? - human rabble; p.162 Human Rabble appears to be Abil + 1/2 Level -1. Str 14 (2) + 1 (1/2 2) -1 = 2. - kruthik hatchling; p.170 Kruthik Hatchling appears to be Abil + 1/2 Level -1. Str 13 (1) + 1 (1/2 2) -1 = 1. - orc drudge & warrior; p.203 Orc Drudge appears to be Abil + 1/2 Level -2. Str 16 (3) + 2 (1/2 4) -2 = 3. Orc Warrior appears to be Abil + 1/2 Level -1. Str 17 (3) + 4 (1/2 9) -1 = 6. - troglodyte warrior; p.252 Trog Warrior appears to be Abil + 1/2 Level -1. Str 18 (4) + 6 (1/2 12) -1 = 9. - snaketongue initiate; p.274 Snaketongue Initiate appears to be Abil + 1/2 Level -0. Str 16 (3) + 3 (1/2 7) -0 = 6. Wait, this is verbatum how to generate non-minion... did you mean Zealot? [U]Final analysis: for Minions[/U] Most Ability checks -1 at end. or -2 at end if a Cyclops or Grimlock or Orc Drudge (Warrior is -1). [/QUOTE]

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