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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ibixat" data-source="post: 4565673" data-attributes="member: 71416">Why does this automatically denigrate fluff? Separating Crunch and Fluff just means that the computations for actions follow a set of rules and the fluff is used to give that computation presence in the game world.  It almost seems like you can't stand the way 4e separates the two because of how people felt about them in prior editions.Accept that in 4e the powers have rules that dictate how they work, and then a brief description there to give you an idea how those rules would work in a game.  By limiting the effects to just the one example used in the power you are in effect severely limiting your game, if that's your thing then by all means run your games that way, but don't expect anyone else who has embraced 4e's methods to agree with your way of playing. Mechanics (crunch, god I hate that term) exist to allow the interaction of the player with the game world, fluff (hate that one too) exists to tell the story of how that interaction happened, anyone who thinks the fluff is not as important as the crunch would probably be better served playing any number of miniature strategy/wargames with nothing but crunch, because why bother with a roleplaying game if you don't care about the story.I have some further questions for you as well.In your game how is an ooze dazed?  Do you allow them to be knocked prone or at least "disrupted so the prone condition applies"? Can a stone golem be petrified in your game?  It is given immunity to disease poison and sleep but not petrification, do you just grant that because it doesn't make sense to allow it?  How about snakes, can they be knocked prone?  Can you restrain elementals that are of fire and air or water origin, how does one restrain air without a plastic baggy?These are all examples of things that might not make sense, but just handing out immunities because the flavor text and the desired effect on a creature doesn't make sense is unfair to your players.  If they come up with a way of explaining the power's effect to work great, otherwise assume the job of storyteller and come up with an explanation of how it works for you.Illusory pit vs flying dragon, well dragon see's a large pit open.. and see's his food falling into it, so quickly without thinking and hoping he doesn't miss lunch he goes into a reckless dive to catch the falling morsels, and just as he thinks he's about to snap one up, he notices, oh crap, there was no pit... crunch.... prone, on the ground.</blockquote>

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