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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 4380895" data-attributes="member: 957">You must be some other Hussar, because I've given about 50 answers to that question to a Hussar over the past year.Short and sweet, by a vastly larger margin than ever before a large number of players in the prior edition think the new edition sucks.  It may be that if you ask 50 people why you will get 55 different reasons.  Doesn't matter.  How about you give us a straw man argument loaded with absolutes and no room for exceptions.  Oh, wait....Yep.Whew, good thing nobody said that then.How about NOT putting words in my mouth huh?  Any chance you can make your case without completely lying about what I said?  I never said that anyone who hasn't changed doesn't like it.  I said that a very large number of people who don't like won't ever change.  That is a completely different statement.And that number is big enough to make a huge difference between this time and prior times.The much higher popularity of 3E now vs. 2E then is also relevant.And, your own poll has pretty well kicked the feet out from under your claim of it being the same.LOLIf you are going to compare ENWorld to dragonsfoot, then in order to complete the analogy you must point me to the new website that has sprung up to service the throngs of 4E fans.  If ENWorld is the new Dragonsfoot, whats the new ENWorld?  There ain't one because things are different this time.It is laughable to claim that the proportions are the same.  Yeah, there were some detractors.  Early after the announcement there were LOTS of detractors.  By a few months before release, the overwhelming bulk of the fan base was completely on board for 3E.  Here we are a month after 4E's release and the divide is clear.  (There's another difference, a month after 3E came out the arguments were about different ways of doing things in 3E, not threads like this one).You want to play a game of "evidence".  Fine.  I got no proof.  What proof do you have that it will be the same?  People who did decide they hated 3E after it came out did NOT come around in large numbers.  Can an exception or 4 come out of the woodwork?  Sure.  But, as you pointed out, you can not even discuss 3E at Dragonsfoot.  The great majority of haters remained haters.  Those who didn't change for other reasons eventually changed.  The haters didn't.  Same thing this time.  Except there are a much bigger percentage of haters.  I'm sure my lack of proof will make the divide just disappear in a puff of smoke.</blockquote>

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