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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 4382184" data-attributes="member: 957"><p>What happened to your preditction of a "very small minority".</p><p>It seems that, all claims of "facts" aside, you are predetermined to find what you want to see in the results. If a "very small minority" switched right away, then that was going to prove your point. But now that the data is exactly the opposite of you prediction, you claim that THIS proves your point.</p><p> </p><p></p><p>Do you see the contradiction there? If most none converts were simply waiting out some other factor then there would be no "huge assumption". It wouldn't even be a debate. (As is wasn't at this point in 3E)</p><p></p><p>Says the guy who started the thread. Define "huge". Define "some". </p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah tons of people bought the core. Simple fact there.</p><p>And a large percentage that I have spoken with we very disappointed once they got it home and read it. A majority? Nope. Significant? Yep.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Not growing, just holding steady.</p><p></p><p>Besides, we also know that 3.5 sold a bigger print run than 3.0. I guess by your standard of proof than means that 3.5 was more popular than 3.0. If you believe that I have a bridge I'd like to sell you. I personally thought 3.5 was a great improvement. But my personal preference doesn't cloud my ability to see that it wasn't universally popular.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Where does quality fit in to you assessment? Where do value judgments come into play. As I see it, you have simply claimed that people will switch this time simply because that it what people do. So it seems they could slap the D&D label on any drek they choose and the same "Why should it be any different this time?" argument would hold the same water.</p><p></p><p>Are you really suggesting that people who strongly dislike the 4e ruleset or other fundamental elements of the game will just switch to something they don't like?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 4382184, member: 957"] What happened to your preditction of a "very small minority". It seems that, all claims of "facts" aside, you are predetermined to find what you want to see in the results. If a "very small minority" switched right away, then that was going to prove your point. But now that the data is exactly the opposite of you prediction, you claim that THIS proves your point. Do you see the contradiction there? If most none converts were simply waiting out some other factor then there would be no "huge assumption". It wouldn't even be a debate. (As is wasn't at this point in 3E) Says the guy who started the thread. Define "huge". Define "some". Yeah tons of people bought the core. Simple fact there. And a large percentage that I have spoken with we very disappointed once they got it home and read it. A majority? Nope. Significant? Yep. Not growing, just holding steady. Besides, we also know that 3.5 sold a bigger print run than 3.0. I guess by your standard of proof than means that 3.5 was more popular than 3.0. If you believe that I have a bridge I'd like to sell you. I personally thought 3.5 was a great improvement. But my personal preference doesn't cloud my ability to see that it wasn't universally popular. Where does quality fit in to you assessment? Where do value judgments come into play. As I see it, you have simply claimed that people will switch this time simply because that it what people do. So it seems they could slap the D&D label on any drek they choose and the same "Why should it be any different this time?" argument would hold the same water. Are you really suggesting that people who strongly dislike the 4e ruleset or other fundamental elements of the game will just switch to something they don't like? [/QUOTE]
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