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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 4384464" data-attributes="member: 957">It really should be stressed that you have greatly bastardized my quote.&nbsp; I stand by my claim that you would have a hard time finding 1 in 30 people who stayed with 2e.&nbsp; I never said that was the case one month after 3E came out.&nbsp; Yes, I think most people changed quickly, but we both agree that there are other factors, such as money and incomplete campaigns that would motivate people to change later.But my claim had nothing to do with quickness of change.&nbsp; That is a red-herring that you threw into the mix.&nbsp; Clearly, the rate of change was somewhat higher then.&nbsp; And clearly, some people will still switch.&nbsp; But a lot of people won't. You claimed I was projecting my views on everyone else.&nbsp; That is a foolish claim.&nbsp; My entire point is that there is a divide.&nbsp; That fundamentally contradicts the idea that everyone is in any one camp, mine or otherwise.&nbsp; &nbsp; You are the only one claiming there is no divide.&nbsp; So it seems you must be the one convinced that your views must unquestionably be projected onto the masses.Sorry, but it doesn't work that way.A lot of people clearly love 4E.&nbsp; My views are clearly not projected on them and in no way at all reflect their position.Now, can you step up to the plate and say the same?&nbsp; Can you agree that a lot of people don't agree with your view and don't like 4E and therefore there is a divide?&nbsp; Or do you claim that your views are projected onto the masses with the exception of a very small minority?Show me some evidence that the majority of people who haven't changed will change.&nbsp; Show me some evidence that people who say they really dislike 4E will change their mind.You asked what the difference is.&nbsp; The difference is, a much bigger fraction of 2e players liked 3e than the fraction of 3e players who like 4e.&nbsp; It is that simple.What is the same?&nbsp; Just as last time the majority of people who didn't like 3E continued to not like 3E, the majority of people who don't like 4E will continue to not like 4E.&nbsp;&nbsp; If you only count those people who switch, the the rate among that subgroup is probably in the same range.&nbsp; And if you look at the anti-change group, there will be a fraction of them that &quot;come around&quot;, and that fraction of the anti-change group will probably be roughly the same this time as well.&nbsp; But, and this is a big but, the initial anti-change group is a lot bigger this time.&nbsp; It is that simple.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 4384464, member: 957"] It really should be stressed that you have greatly bastardized my quote. I stand by my claim that you would have a hard time finding 1 in 30 people who stayed with 2e. I never said that was the case one month after 3E came out. Yes, I think most people changed quickly, but we both agree that there are other factors, such as money and incomplete campaigns that would motivate people to change later. But my claim had nothing to do with quickness of change. That is a red-herring that you threw into the mix. Clearly, the rate of change [b]was[/b] somewhat higher then. And clearly, some people will still switch. But a lot of people won't. You claimed I was projecting my views on everyone else. That is a foolish claim. My entire point is that there is a divide. That fundamentally contradicts the idea that everyone is in any one camp, mine or otherwise. You are the only one claiming there is no divide. So it seems you must be the one convinced that your views must unquestionably be projected onto the masses. Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. A lot of people clearly love 4E. My views are clearly not projected on them and in no way at all reflect their position. Now, can you step up to the plate and say the same? Can you agree that a lot of people don't agree with your view and don't like 4E and therefore there is a divide? Or do you claim that your views are projected onto the masses with the exception of a very small minority? Show me some evidence that the majority of people who haven't changed will change. Show me some evidence that people who say they really dislike 4E will change their mind. You asked what the difference is. The difference is, a much bigger fraction of 2e players liked 3e than the fraction of 3e players who like 4e. It is that simple. What is the same? Just as last time the majority of people who didn't like 3E continued to not like 3E, the majority of people who don't like 4E will continue to not like 4E. If you only count those people who switch, the the rate among that subgroup is probably in the same range. And if you look at the anti-change group, there will be a fraction of them that "come around", and that fraction of the anti-change group will probably be roughly the same this time as well. But, and this is a big but, the initial anti-change group is a lot bigger this time. It is that simple. [/QUOTE]

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