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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dragon Snack" data-source="post: 4421627" data-attributes="member: 9810">I do think D&D (read: RPGs in general) needs to "grow up" in the sense that it needs to get to the point that it's not written off out of hand (as something for kids).  Like the SciFi example, where once it was the province of pulp novels or cheap movies and now, while not really mainstream, is accepted at a basic level.  RPGs will always be a niche, but when people get to the point that they understand what they are I think we will have come a long way.I'm not sure exactly how we get there though, which is why I had hopes for the other thread...I'm not 100% sure movies are the way to go, after all we did have the LotR trilogy and we still aren't "there".  SciFi and Comics translate well to movies.  Movies, by their one way nature, don't translate the cooperative storytelling aspect of RPGs.  I think they are also limited in showing the evolution of a character, although it can be done.  But the D&D branded movie(s) certainly didn't help (does direct to DVD even count?).A TV show?  I'm scaring myself with a reality LARP show, I'm pretty sure that's NOT the direction either (I suppose that pirate show was probably too close).  Something along the lines of BSG or Firefly?  As much as we might like either series, neither makes many waves in the mainstream.  Kindred: the Embraced gave it a shot, haven't seen anything since (apparently it was supposed to be renewed before one of the actors died).  We would probably want to avoid another cartoon, but then anime seems to be fairing somewhat better than D&D.Miniatures do have some potential.  Historicals have been portrayed better in the media than D&D certainly (although not always).  But, as noted, most get a passing "that's nice" and are promptly ignored.I think some game design has tried to push the envelope, but if it's not gaining traction with the actual players it's going to be a hard sell to "normals".Fantasy Football/Baseball/etc seems to have gained acceptance by piggybacking on the popularity of sports, perhaps that is a possible direction?  Yes, I realize that WizKids Baseball CMG tanked.Sorry, I started out rambling without a point and the fact that I should be in bed didn't help any...</blockquote>

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