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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gothmog" data-source="post: 4475463" data-attributes="member: 317">Somewhat more lethal IME.  While random back luck won't kill a character as often in 3e, bad tactics can lead to a TPK or deaths in a hurry.  I thought my players were pretty good tacticians before 4e- characters dying in our 3e game was pretty rare, and going down or unconscious only happened in about 1 out of 4 fights to any PC.  But playing through KotS and a homebrew adventure to have them learn the system killed a total of 8 characters!  This included one TPK in the homebrew adventure involving zombies, a wight, and a couple dark creepers.  If you go play the "lone wolf" in 4e, you're dead meat.  In our current 4e campaigns, pretty much every encounter has a PC going down as long as the DM is using even halfway decent tactics, and roughly 25% of the time the PC dies from sheer damage or failing saves.</blockquote>