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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mallus" data-source="post: 4526425" data-attributes="member: 3887">So your argument is that WotC deliberately turned their backs on their established customer base in order to chase a new demographic that they had few, if no, actual inroads in. And their motivation was greed... do you see why I don't think this scans? I'll say it again: 4e would probably look pretty different if profit was the only thing on the designer's minds (it would look more like 3e, it would be safer). I think it's more reasonable to conclude that the design choices made --whether you like them or not-- were an honest attempt to address perceived system flaws and improve the game. That's patently untrue. You can tell when a used car salesman is successful (someone drives away with a car). Without profit, there would be a lot less of the hobby to be interested in.</blockquote>