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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 4531278" data-attributes="member: 48965">Forked from: <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showpost.php?postid=4531018" target="_blank"> Disappointed in 4e </a>I'm curious about peoples thoughts on the above part of bagger245's statement... why shoudn't one look at different editions of D&amp;D as an upgrade?&nbsp; For this discussion I want to mainly focus on 4e, it was advertised as &quot;Ze game is still ze same&quot; (which in retrospect seems an arguable assertion)&nbsp; and really just an improvement over the previous editions.&nbsp; Now with that type of marketing push, why shouldn't people have expected it to be an upgrade as opposed to expecting a brand new game?Another point I wanted to bring up is with other rpg's...I mean when a new edition comes out I don't expect a totally new game, I expect an upgrade of the game I have already purchased (examples...Earthdawn 2nd ed., Fading Suns 2nd ed., Gurps, Hero,etc. ...unless it is advertised as such.&nbsp; Case in point White Wolf did a good job of expressing to fans that the oWoD was dead and the nWoD would not be the same...they were up front about this and no purchase of a world book or character book was required to know this.&nbsp; They didn't market Exalted 2nd ed. like this because, for all intents and purposes it is the same game with mechanical upgrades.So what do others think about this, should D&amp;D 4e have been marketed as a totally different game?&nbsp; Could the fact that it wasn't be driving alot of the disappointment with the final product in certain camps.&nbsp; I will state upfront that 4e was not what I expected from the marketing buzz WotC put out there, but I'm curious what others think...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 4531278, member: 48965"] Forked from: [url=http://www.enworld.org/forum/showpost.php?postid=4531018] Disappointed in 4e [/url] I'm curious about peoples thoughts on the above part of bagger245's statement... why shoudn't one look at different editions of D&D as an upgrade? For this discussion I want to mainly focus on 4e, it was advertised as "Ze game is still ze same" (which in retrospect seems an arguable assertion) and really just an improvement over the previous editions. Now with that type of marketing push, why shouldn't people have expected it to be an upgrade as opposed to expecting a brand new game? Another point I wanted to bring up is with other rpg's...I mean when a new edition comes out I don't expect a totally new game, I expect an upgrade of the game I have already purchased (examples...Earthdawn 2nd ed., Fading Suns 2nd ed., Gurps, Hero,etc. ...unless it is advertised as such. Case in point White Wolf did a good job of expressing to fans that the oWoD was dead and the nWoD would not be the same...they were up front about this and no purchase of a world book or character book was required to know this. They didn't market Exalted 2nd ed. like this because, for all intents and purposes it is the same game with mechanical upgrades. So what do others think about this, should D&D 4e have been marketed as a totally different game? Could the fact that it wasn't be driving alot of the disappointment with the final product in certain camps. I will state upfront that 4e was not what I expected from the marketing buzz WotC put out there, but I'm curious what others think... [/QUOTE]

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