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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 4531433" data-attributes="member: 48965">But would you agree that the marketing for 4e was at least a little misleading?&nbsp; I'm just trying to get some perspectives, and I was thinking mine might be skewed... but when 3e came out I was aware of the changes in a much more meaningful way before I purchased my first 3e product than with 4e.&nbsp; The reason I wondered if my view is skewed is because I bought Dragon magazine regularly and it basically had preview articles in it for all the mechanical changes in 3e... and the motto of 3e seemed more about stressing and embracing the difference between 3e and 2e, than claiming the game would be the same.Okay, so what in your opinion would make a new edition the same game?&nbsp; I think there has to be a line where mechanics and fluff can be tweaked or changed (for what the designers feel is an improvement upon a game) without it becoming a &quot;new&quot; game instead of just a &quot;new&quot; edition.&nbsp; Like I said earlier, Exalted 2nd ed. has some mechanical changes, and even some slight fluff changes from 1e... but I still considered it the same game.&nbsp; nWoD is a totally different case, but WW was openly honest that this would be a new system and new fluff and oWoD really was over.&nbsp; I didn't see that type of thing with 4e from WotC, so I wonder if they...1. Expected people to look at it as a whole new game, and thus were being slightly to very misleading in their marketing to retain former players.&nbsp;3. Really see 4e as the same game that D&amp;D has always been, and honestly felt claiming certain things were &quot;previews&quot; (like SW saga ed.) was honest and totally truthful marketing.&nbsp;I have no problem looking at a game in this way...if the company is upfront and honest about it when trying to sell the game.&nbsp; However if they don't or worse yet put an angle that is the oposite of this into their sales pitch for it...am I wrong for expecting something that is an advancement or improvement upon what has come before, rather than it being torn down and built up differently?I'm just really starting to think this may have alot to do with the dissatisfaction some feel with 4e... heck I'm even starting to wonder if it's part of the reason I find myself leaning more negatively towards it.&nbsp; The funny thing is I picked up SW SE because it was suppose to be a preview and I was curious... but now I have bought every book for SW SE, while I find myself very reluctant to continue with 4e.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 4531433, member: 48965"] But would you agree that the marketing for 4e was at least a little misleading? I'm just trying to get some perspectives, and I was thinking mine might be skewed... but when 3e came out I was aware of the changes in a much more meaningful way before I purchased my first 3e product than with 4e. The reason I wondered if my view is skewed is because I bought Dragon magazine regularly and it basically had preview articles in it for all the mechanical changes in 3e... and the motto of 3e seemed more about stressing and embracing the difference between 3e and 2e, than claiming the game would be the same. Okay, so what in your opinion would make a new edition the same game? I think there has to be a line where mechanics and fluff can be tweaked or changed (for what the designers feel is an improvement upon a game) without it becoming a "new" game instead of just a "new" edition. Like I said earlier, Exalted 2nd ed. has some mechanical changes, and even some slight fluff changes from 1e... but I still considered it the same game. nWoD is a totally different case, but WW was openly honest that this would be a new system and new fluff and oWoD really was over. I didn't see that type of thing with 4e from WotC, so I wonder if they... 1. Expected people to look at it as a whole new game, and thus were being slightly to very misleading in their marketing to retain former players. 3. Really see 4e as the same game that D&D has always been, and honestly felt claiming certain things were "previews" (like SW saga ed.) was honest and totally truthful marketing. I have no problem looking at a game in this way...if the company is upfront and honest about it when trying to sell the game. However if they don't or worse yet put an angle that is the oposite of this into their sales pitch for it...am I wrong for expecting something that is an advancement or improvement upon what has come before, rather than it being torn down and built up differently? I'm just really starting to think this may have alot to do with the dissatisfaction some feel with 4e... heck I'm even starting to wonder if it's part of the reason I find myself leaning more negatively towards it. The funny thing is I picked up SW SE because it was suppose to be a preview and I was curious... but now I have bought every book for SW SE, while I find myself very reluctant to continue with 4e. [/QUOTE]

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