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<blockquote data-quote="justanobody" data-source="post: 4532067" data-attributes="member: 70778"><p>I think the question is more are you trying to appeal to the audience so much that you lose what D&D is?</p><p></p><p>Have people outgrown D&D?</p><p></p><p>What happens when fantasy is completely taken over by sci-fi, will D&D become a sci-fi game with lasers, phasers, teleporters, etc?</p><p></p><p>So what audience is it aiming for, and did the audience change, or did it change its target audience?</p><p></p><p>I don't think 12 year old boys was the original target audience as it was intended for older games, then college gamers, now what is the audience, and has it jumped so far that it disconnects with the game itself?</p><p></p><p>What if Star Trek through the years decide to become a western? Would that have been adapting with the audience if the audience started watching more westerns? I think it would have killed Star Trek, as its audience was one that liked the universe Star Trek is in, rather than Star Trek trying to keep up with popular trends.</p><p></p><p>Maybe that is the problem D&D has had over the years, where Warhammer has stayed mostly the same in WFB and WH40k, in that is keeps its games mostly focused on the same thing.</p><p></p><p>I don't think you can say that D&D has kept the same focus over the years, just by saying it is still based in fantasy as that is too broad a category to claim.</p><p></p><p>So 4th edition is a new game with the D&D name. What is so wrong with it having its own name to eclipse D&D?</p><p></p><p>Would people be as upset with the total death of D&D and this 4th edition being a new game as with 4th edition changing so much of what had been D&D for several decades?</p><p></p><p>So I don't think keeping up with the Jones' was/is ever the answer, but keeping your customers happy.</p><p></p><p>How much would it cost to make a new monster each month for each old D&D system, or make one monster a month and make it FOR each different D&D system?</p><p></p><p>I think that would give better hopes to keeping D&D alive when you can connect them all, than trying to discard the old that works for the flashy new shiny object just because it is flashy and new.</p><p></p><p>D&D doesn't have to keep up with current trends, it should be focused on what it does well, and let the other people falter with what doesn't work well.</p><p></p><p>Don't forget that in the beginning D&D was trying to be created and find out what it was, not trying to really keep up with trends, as most things didn't change save for a few classes moving in and out. The core 4 are still there.</p><p></p><p>Priest</p><p>Mage</p><p>Warrior</p><p>Rogue</p><p></p><p>Any variations thereof are just that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="justanobody, post: 4532067, member: 70778"] I think the question is more are you trying to appeal to the audience so much that you lose what D&D is? Have people outgrown D&D? What happens when fantasy is completely taken over by sci-fi, will D&D become a sci-fi game with lasers, phasers, teleporters, etc? So what audience is it aiming for, and did the audience change, or did it change its target audience? I don't think 12 year old boys was the original target audience as it was intended for older games, then college gamers, now what is the audience, and has it jumped so far that it disconnects with the game itself? What if Star Trek through the years decide to become a western? Would that have been adapting with the audience if the audience started watching more westerns? I think it would have killed Star Trek, as its audience was one that liked the universe Star Trek is in, rather than Star Trek trying to keep up with popular trends. Maybe that is the problem D&D has had over the years, where Warhammer has stayed mostly the same in WFB and WH40k, in that is keeps its games mostly focused on the same thing. I don't think you can say that D&D has kept the same focus over the years, just by saying it is still based in fantasy as that is too broad a category to claim. So 4th edition is a new game with the D&D name. What is so wrong with it having its own name to eclipse D&D? Would people be as upset with the total death of D&D and this 4th edition being a new game as with 4th edition changing so much of what had been D&D for several decades? So I don't think keeping up with the Jones' was/is ever the answer, but keeping your customers happy. How much would it cost to make a new monster each month for each old D&D system, or make one monster a month and make it FOR each different D&D system? I think that would give better hopes to keeping D&D alive when you can connect them all, than trying to discard the old that works for the flashy new shiny object just because it is flashy and new. D&D doesn't have to keep up with current trends, it should be focused on what it does well, and let the other people falter with what doesn't work well. Don't forget that in the beginning D&D was trying to be created and find out what it was, not trying to really keep up with trends, as most things didn't change save for a few classes moving in and out. The core 4 are still there. Priest Mage Warrior Rogue Any variations thereof are just that. [/QUOTE]
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