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<blockquote data-quote="Thasmodious" data-source="post: 4533523" data-attributes="member: 63272">Those are individual items.&nbsp; I was talking about character concepts.&nbsp; Of course some individual spells change, they do in every edition.&nbsp; If that's cause to say a new edition is an entirely new game, then every edition is a new game.&nbsp; I don't see it that way.&nbsp; If nothing changed, there wouldn't be a new edition.&nbsp;Those still exist, intimidate for example, rendering someone unconscious or helpless or petrified for other examples.&nbsp;&nbsp;All editions are different mechanically, they have to be.&nbsp; I don't agree that 4e or any other edition has been different in feel.&nbsp; It's all been thoroughly D&amp;D to me.&nbsp; 4e even has more old school feel for me and my group with the emphasis on a bit more on the fly DM freedom.&nbsp; Just to reiterate, what I was saying is that I don't really see character concepts that don't convert between editions in at least some way that holds true to the concept, even if the mechanics change considerably.&nbsp; A couple of exceptions for 4e would be specialist casters like conjurers and enchanters, but that's coming.&nbsp; See my forked thread -<a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/general-rpg-discussion/244264-forked-thread-pc-concept-limitations-d-d-4th-edition.html" target="_blank">here</a>, if discussing character concepts in 4e holds interest for you.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Thasmodious, post: 4533523, member: 63272"] Those are individual items. I was talking about character concepts. Of course some individual spells change, they do in every edition. If that's cause to say a new edition is an entirely new game, then every edition is a new game. I don't see it that way. If nothing changed, there wouldn't be a new edition. Those still exist, intimidate for example, rendering someone unconscious or helpless or petrified for other examples. All editions are different mechanically, they have to be. I don't agree that 4e or any other edition has been different in feel. It's all been thoroughly D&D to me. 4e even has more old school feel for me and my group with the emphasis on a bit more on the fly DM freedom. Just to reiterate, what I was saying is that I don't really see character concepts that don't convert between editions in at least some way that holds true to the concept, even if the mechanics change considerably. A couple of exceptions for 4e would be specialist casters like conjurers and enchanters, but that's coming. See my forked thread -[url=http://www.enworld.org/forum/general-rpg-discussion/244264-forked-thread-pc-concept-limitations-d-d-4th-edition.html]here[/url], if discussing character concepts in 4e holds interest for you. [/QUOTE]

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