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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pukunui" data-source="post: 4518402" data-attributes="member: 54629">Thanks.Possibly. I wouldn't say that any system is perfect, and I acknowledge that the pursuit of perfection is ultimately futile. Perhaps what I am trying to do is find a system that maximizes the fun for me and also plays to the strengths of the people I play with (assuming, of course, that they're even going to want to continue to play with me after this).Because I've been DMing D&D (both 3.5 and 4e) with most of them for some time now, as well as playing a SWSE game that one of the others has been GMing since early this year, I have had the chance to observe how the group reacts to different systems. Everyone seems to get the most enjoyment out of the Saga rules. Whether this would still be true if we were playing a fantasy game rather than Star Wars remains to be seen, but I would like to give it a try ...Agreed. What I'm hoping is that because the guys like the Saga system with Star Wars, they'll be willing to give it a try as a fantasy game as well.I understand what you're getting at, and I believe I am aware of the potential pitfalls, but I am fairly confident that most, if not all, of my current group will want to continue. They are my friends, after all. But I think I have a right to enjoy things, and I'm not enjoying 4e as much as I thought I would ... whereas I am immensely enjoying Saga. I think it will only enhance the group's experience at the table.I don't insist on it. I've simply encouraged it (and possibly whinged about it too). But the latter doesn't happen often no matter how much encouragement I give them ... but I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at here. Sorry.I'm also not really sure what you're getting at here, either. Am I insulting board games? Or 4e? Or have I totally lost the plot here?Cool thanks. I'll have a look at that when I get a chance (I'm at work now). I've also read through The Gneech's excellent S&S Saga conversion (and I'm eagerly awaiting version 2). He tells me he's almost finished a monster doc to go with it all and he's also working on converting the 3.5 classes into talent tree classes. Lots of good stuff. There are some things about his conversion I don't like, though, so I don't think I'll use it wholesale.I'm also aware of the Fantasy Concepts pdf, but I haven't purchased it, so I don't know what's in it or if it's any good (I did find a review of it from a guy who was less than impressed with it, though, which has put me off a little bit).</blockquote>

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