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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 4635072" data-attributes="member: 22779">Forked from: <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showpost.php?postid=4635064" target="_blank"> Hit Points & Healing Surges Finally Explained! </a>I'll go first:1.  As I mentioned, Frodo is attacked in the Mines of Moria, receives what appears to all the other characters as a mortal wound, gets rolled over, stands up and is perfectly fine.  He's "saved" by his mithril armor. 2.  In the movie Blade Runner, Dekker gets his ass absolutely kicked by the penultimate villain who is nicely dispatched by the very hot Sean Young.  He goes home, spits copious amounts of blood into the sink, lies down on the couch and has a sleep.  Next day he's jumping off buildings.  Major damage to fully healed in one night of sleep.3.  In pretty much any boxing movie you care to name, Rocky (various numbers) the protagonist goes down and the ref starts counting.  He's gotten leveled by the bad guy.  He looks over, sees his romantic interest, gets up and finishes the fight.  Not only that, but, when he gets up, he's just as fast and probably MORE bad assed than when he went down.4.  Die Hard.  Nuff said.5.  The Princess Bride.  Inigo receives a mortal wound.  Count Rugen certainly thinks so.  Yet, he stands up, and fights perfectly well and, after the fight, runs off to find Wesley and the others.6.  Jackie Chan routinely gets the stuffing beaten out of him, shakes it off and gets right back into things.  The only time he gets extended rest is if the hot nurse/love interest is going to be there.7.  Mel Gibson in Lethal Weapon gets tortured, beaten and abused.  Yet, hanging there apparently defeated, he summons up the strength to strangle his guard, free himself and escape.8.  In ERB's A Princess of Mars, John Carter is stabbed entirely through the chest, the sword explodes out behind him.  Yet, after he kills his opponent, he pulls the sword out of himself and walks over to his women.  Note, throughout this, I'm giving pretty specific examples.  It's not high altitude "oh, well, a book I read in high school doesn't fit this" sort of thing.  I'm looking for very specific chapter and verse examples.So, put your money where your mouth is.  What examples from genre can't be emulated using 4e's healing system?  In what examples from fiction would second wind/healing surges make no sense?  In what examples do you REGULARLY see extended healing and the protagonist never simply "shakes it off"?</blockquote>

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