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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 4641361" data-attributes="member: 48965">How do these two lines contradict?  One says, in broad terms (thus it comes first) that hit points measure how hard it is to kill you... the line I quoted then quantifies that broad statement into a more specific statement.  In other words ...how hard a character is to kill can be determined through their ability to take physical punishment and keep going and their ability to turn a serious blow into a less serious one... so where is the "contradiction"?And again you are choosing to ignore an obvious stick of measurement.  There are two(possibly more) axis of abstraction in dealing with damage and healing in 4e... hit points (which are the same as previous editions) and healing surges which add another level of abstraction to both damage and healing... do you agree or not with this?Or you give me nonsensical (in a logical sense) mechanics... that don't map to anything logical or consistent in the narrative or simulation sense and the narration becomes more and more absurd to account for the results. But one thing you are correct about is that... it is my fault if I continue to play such a game.</blockquote>